are the words, "WHICH, IF TRUE would have invalidated his resignation." goes totally against what is said by
ronkrisman February 24 Thanks
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But, of course, the Supreme Pontiff, possessing supreme legislative authority in the Church, is not bound by and is able to change a disciplinary law of one of his predecessors.
and claimed by others, including church authorities. It can't be both ways. Which is it?
According to that article, "Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI has firmly refuted speculation that he was forced to resign the papacy which, if true, would have invalidated his resignation."
So if the Pope had been forced to declare a renunciation, the renunciation would have been invalid.
what B16 says and what actually happened could be in conflict
Can. 332 - § 2. Si contingat ut Romanus Pontifex muneri suo renuntiet, ad validitatem requiritur ut renunciatio libere fiat et rite manifestetur, non vero ut a quopiam acceptetur. If it should happen that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office, it is required for validity that he makes the resignation freely and that it be duly manifested, but not that it be accepted by anyone. (1983 CLSA translation)
According to that article, "Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI has firmly refuted speculation that he was forced to resign the papacy which, if true, would have invalidated his resignation."
Do you have any idea what this is referring to? Is this referring to canon law?
The Pope found himself in a dramatic situation when he found that they had put someone in his own house who stole his documents. This was disconcerting. Some Germans went to visit him, and the Pope said to them, "Think about it, he was giving me my medicine, too."
In other words, he felt there might even have been a threat to his own life…
Francis, the term, "New calendarist Sergianist heretic," originated with Father Vasily Vasilievich of the once published blog, "The Onion Dome." According to Fr. Vasily, if it wasn't done in 19th-century Russia, it was heresy.
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It could. However, the internal consent of the mind is presumed to be in agreement with the words Pope Benedict used in his resignation. If we do hold to that presumption, the validity of all human acts is questioned.
Of course it refers to canon law, but also rumors of a conspiracy amongst certain princes of the Church against his life. See the first link I posted on this thread.
The Pope found himself in a dramatic situation when he found that they had put someone in his own house who stole his documents. This was disconcerting. Some Germans went to visit him, and the Pope said to them, "Think about it, he was giving me my medicine, too."
In other words, he felt there might even have been a threat to his own life…
I think after reading about the Time Cube I need to shirazicize the rest of my day....
I'm still very, very confused as to what this thread is about.
This thread is happening because some people are spreading false rumors about Pope Benedict's renunciation: a poor-judgment pundit speculating over here, a phony mystic claiming messages from Heaven over there, feeding the itching ears of the curious.
That is to say, we discover, that Benedict XVI did not intend to renounce the munus petrinus, nor the office, or the duties, i.e. which Christ Himself attributed to the Head of the Apostles and which has been passed on to his successors. The Pope intended to renounce only the ministerium, which is the exercise and concrete administration of that office. In the formula employed by Benedict, primarily, there is a distinction between the munus, the papal office, and the execution, that is the active exercise of the office itself: but the executio is twofold: there is the governmental aspect which is exercised agendo et loquendo - working and teaching; but there is also the spiritual aspect, no less important, which is exercised orando et patendo – praying and suffering. It is that which would be behind Benedict XVI’s words : “I do not return to private life […] I no longer bear the power of office for the governance of the Church, but in the service of prayer I remain, so to speak, in the enclosure of Saint Peter.” “Enclosure” here would not be meant only in the sense of a geographical place, where one lives, but also a theological “place.”
To cite Professor Violi: “Benedict XVI divested himself of all the power of government and command inherent in his office, without however, abandoning his service to the Church: this continues through the exercise of the spiritual dimension of the pontifical munus entrusted to him. This he did not intend renouncing. He renounced not his duties, which are, irrevocable, but the concrete execution of them.” Is it perhaps for this that Francis seems not to be fond of calling himself “Pope” aware as he is of sharing the pontifical munus, at least in the spiritual dimension, with Benedict?
[Yesterday] a page written by Messori in the “Corriere della Sera” (with the title: “Here is why we truly have two Popes”) disclosed a sensational revelation: Benedict XVI, in renouncing his mandate by using certain expressions, left: “only his power of government and command over the Church.”
Nevertheless he maintains” the munus, the papal office” which “is irrevocable”. He renounced only “its concrete exercise.” Which means that the Church would really have “two Popes” – a diarchy.
This revelation is truly sensational. It is a shame that it was already made and commented upon – many times, with plenty of argumentation – three months ago, here in the columns of “Libero” (four installments of my inquiry, starting on February 9).
Three months later, Messori and the “Corriere” presented all of it as if it were their own scoop (taking as a pretext one of the essays by a canon lawyer which came out recently), without referring to everything that had happened between February and March.
Is everything just fine then? Is everybody happy? It is exactly the opposite. Messori in fact, as an “insider” – cannot ignore that this situation – as he outlines it – does not have any theological nor canonical foundation.
Through the Divine Constitution of the Church, in reality only one can be the Pope. And if it is as Messori says – Benedict XVI “did not intend to renounce the pontifical munus” which “is irrevocable” what kind of demission is his?
Messori knows well that his entire article induces one to ask a dramatic question (who is the Pope?), but he avoids carefully formulating it, allowing the reader to pose it. Why? Is this article a signal that many are posing it in Church circles?
Either the constitution of the Church is protected by the Holy Spirit, or it isn't.
Yes, this is the part of his papacy that he 'halved' to Pope FrancisI don't see him as having any legislative authority...
However, this is the part that he may have reserved for himself. But as the article suggests, he MAY be the TRUE pope, and decided that through his ultimate authority.His role as Emeritus is something between him and God more than between him and the Church.
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