I believe any responsible bishop will have to concomitantly provide for, expect and mandate that during the TLM phase-out all Novus Ordo parishes must have a phase-in of liturgical music and an ars celebrandi that has greater affinity with the TLM.
So... I had started a thread devoted to Peter Kwasniewski's response to the motu proprio, but Chonak thought it would be best to merge it with this thread, but that didn't work using his moderator capabilities, so I'm copying it here to add to the discussion. I know I said I wouldn't post on this thread again, but that was when I thought additional threads on slightly different aspects of this conversation would be permitted, so please forgive me for rejoining the thread with this addition and my subsequent remarks.
Peter Kwasniewski's article is titled "Traditionis Custodes: The New Atom Bomb"
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/5473-traditionis-custodes-the-new-atom-bomb
This new motu proprio is as bad as it seems only if we allow ourselves to think and act as if we are bound by it, as if its provisions are licit. If, however, we recognize that it is inherently anti-Catholic, and that no pope can rightfully trample on the members of the Church and on her venerable rites as Francis is attempting to do, then we will see it more as an external burden, like a plague, a war, a famine, or an evil government to be overthrown or borne with until its demise.
Peter K seems totally un-self aware of the role he played in making the Moto Proprio happen.
um, this is a bit confusing, Chris… you are alleging that the TLM is a problem. There is NO problem with the TLM. (pun intended). The problem is that the NO wants to throw out a rite that cannot be abrogated or suppressed much less, cancelled. It ain’t going to happen. When the Arian crisis was in full swing, the church went through the same exact problem… guess who became the St. of that century?problem of the TLM is minor problem
This statement shows little understanding of the difference between a ‘church’ (or perhaps, alluding to a rite) and the Faith. The TLM carries internal and intrinsic to it, the Holy Catholic Faith… it resides in the enviable position that other religions wish to imbue into their own, try to simulate, and borrow from, so they can say they have it, except, all other religions are false, so even if they try to graft the true faith onto their religion, it will never take hold. The Faith is pure and its rites last only because their rites are completely grounded in the Faith, and not vise versa.If they are looking for some imagined perfect church of days gone by
If everybody is doing what they are supposed to under TC, then everybody will be working to build up these communities. It's hard to see how they would ever be closed down.with the pastoral care of these groups of the faithful. This priest should be suited for this responsibility, skilled in the use of the Missale Romanum antecedent to the reform of 1970, possess a knowledge of the Latin language sufficient for a thorough comprehension of the rubrics and liturgical texts, and be animated by a lively pastoral charity and by a sense of ecclesial communion. This priest should have at heart not only the correct celebration of the liturgy, but also the pastoral and spiritual care of the faithful
This priest should be suited for this responsibility, skilled in the use of the Missale Romanum antecedent to the reform of 1970, possess a knowledge of the Latin language sufficient for a thorough comprehension of the rubrics and liturgical texts, and be animated by a lively pastoral charity and by a sense of ecclesial communion. This priest should have at heart not only the correct celebration of the liturgy, but also the pastoral and spiritual care of the faithful
The data suggests these are not mostly older priests who retain an attachment to the form of the Mass offered in their youth: A priest would need to be at least 76 to have offered the Extraordinary Form of the Mass before the promulgation of the Ordinary Form in 1970.
Reports coming into me show an increased interest in the TLM, and we have seen an increased attendance. All advertising is good advertising! Persecution has always strengthened the Faith of the persecuted. We now know that what was Sacred for 1500 years is still Sacred, so we know that we are in communion with the Church when we attend the TLM. Persecution will be akin to the tree mentioned in John 15:2Honestly, what would be the point of attending a Mass that would be abolished a year from now??
Every branch in me, that beareth not fruit, he will take away: and every one that beareth fruit, he will purge it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
It came as a bitter surprise to me personally that the “thorough” consultation did not reach me, a cardinal and former member of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. Furthermore, during the years 2007-9, I was bishop of Hong Kong, and therefore responsible for the implementation of “Summorum Pontificum”, and until now, a well-known supporter of the group.
Not having known either the questionnaire or the responses to the questionnaire, I cannot judge, but only suspect that there was much misunderstanding (or perhaps even manipulation) in the process.
The problem is not “which rite do people prefer?”, but it is “why don’t they go to Mass anymore?” Some surveys show that half of the Christian population in Europe no longer believes in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, no longer believes in eternal life! Certainly, we do not blame the liturgical reform; but we just want to say that the problem is much deeper, we cannot evade the question: “Has not the formation of faith been lacking?” “Has not the great work of the Council been wasted?” Isn’t the root of evil that attitude of believing that everything can now be changed? Is it not that attitude of believing that this Council cancels out all previous ones, and that the Council of Trent is like the dirt accumulated on the fresco of the Sistine Chapel (as a “liturgist” in our diocese put it)?
The Document obviously sees not only disturbances in the execution of Summorum Pontificum, but considers the very existence of a parallel rite to be an evil. Don’t paragraphs § 5 and § 6 of Art 3, Art 4 and 5 clearly wish for the death of the groups? But, even with that, can’t the anti-Ratzinger gentlemen of the Vatican patiently wait for the Tridentine Mass to die along with Benedict XVI, instead of humiliating the venerable Pope Emeritus in this way?
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