Do congregations prefer the contemporary slop?
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    One never knows though. I filled in for our Saturday Vigil and had to make a face and cup an ear before "At the Lamb's high Feast" finally got going.
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  • One never knows though. I filled in for our Saturday Vigil and had to make a face and cup an ear before "At the Lamb's high Feast" finally got going.


    At my previous parish I served at a university parish Catholic campus ministry. I had recurring issues with students being unfamiliar with even the most basic of hymns.

    My suburban parish growing up did not play At the Lamb's High Feast and did not play several other standards, that I had to discover on my own. And that's coming from a parish that was probably above average for its time in terms of the amount of traditional music they sung.

    At this university parish I directed a contemporary choir that sometimes also sang hymns and chants. It often took way longer than anticipated for students to learn fairly basic hymns that apparently their home parishes never sang.
  • At the Lamb’s High Feast really gets the congregation going.


    At my current parish, this was an unfamiliar song to a significant percentage of the congregation. I even got a complaint once for playing too much unfamiliar music at Easter, with this listed as one of the "unfamiliar songs."

    I view "At the Lamb’s High Feast" as a critically important hymn for everyone to know. I've programmed it many times and now the congregation knows it. Now they sing it very well!
  • Liam
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    Also program Songs of Thankfulness and Praise to SALZBURG in early January to reinforce the tune.
  • SponsaChristi
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    At my current parish, this was an unfamiliar song to a significant percentage of the congregation. I even got a complaint once for playing too much unfamiliar music at Easter, with this listed as one of the "unfamiliar songs."

    Sounds like a suggestion to sing it every Sunday of Easter in order to make it familiar. Maybe that’s why our MD has programmed JCIRT at every Easter Mass this year...or because it’s trending on social media this year.
  • Sounds like a suggestion to sing it every Sunday of Easter in order to make it familiar. Maybe that’s why our MD has programmed JCIRT at every Easter Mass this year...or because it’s trending on social media this year.


    I programmed At the Lamb's High Feast four Sundays in a row when I first started at my current parish when the 2nd reading was hitting the "Christ the Victim, Christ the Priest" theme hard for a month. I think that was towards the end of Ordinary Time in Cycle B.

    I realized after the fact that ... this did not mean that the congregation for Easter morning would know it.

    This year I've programmed At the Lamb's High Feast for Easter Vigil, Easter Morning, Easter 2, and Easter 3. That's probably the end of it for this Easter season although I don't have Easter 5 and Easter 6 all the way planned yet.
  • ServiamScores
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    I've never had the cahones to do the same hymn multiple weeks in a row, although I've done a few hymns every other, or every third week for 2 or 3 cycles.
  • MatthewRoth
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    We sing one hymn weekly. They get a second hymn at Vespers now.

    The upshot is that this will allow for rotation of every two weeks and therefore more hymns, not accounting for feasts where we do interrupt the cycle as needed.

    Except for things like LAMBILLOTTE and other unusual meters and therefore melodies or Christmas carols (sorry, I won’t reuse FOREST GREEN) I like having two texts per tune when possible.
  • SponsaChristi
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    I've never had the cahones to do the same hymn multiple weeks in a row, although I've done a few hymns every other, or every third week for 2 or 3 cycles.

    Back when I sang in parish’s Latin Mass Community’s choir and schola, I somehow ended up taking over choosing the hymns for Mass. There was one month or so where I got caught up on a Hyfrydol hyperfixation (in fairness, our MD plays it better than everyone else I’ve heard play it. Not like a slow dirge.), but didn’t think I could get away with the same hymn every week, so instead I picked a different hymn that was also set to Hyfrydol.

    There are a lot of hymns in Breaking Bread that are set to Hyfrydol. The only one I didn’t choose was the marriage one that after reading the words, I was certain it had a “molto fromaggio” marking. I prefer the original Welsh version, which is about Jesus, swords, and terrorizing demons, fighting temptation, etc.

    Send Us Thine Asteroid, O Lord

    A prayer I quote often.

    For the sake of clarification, I was referring to that great eschatological hymn set to Old Hundredth, https://youtu.be/hkTgYiMDRHY?si=AJ_nHpJ35eb4U2_8. I won’t be trying to sing All People That On Earth Do Dwell from memory during Mass anymore.
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  • davido
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    Has nothing to do with cahones. Has everything to do with good taste.
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  • Big news. This thread, and specifically the contribution of @Don9of11, has spurred me to reduce the number of Credo settings we use in the year from 4 to 3 (one of which will only be used 3 times per year, so basically 2), and the number of mass settings from 6 to 4, with the occasional polyphonic splurge. Earlier this evening I got the priest's sign off on it.

    I know it could sound like a step backwards, but I've been convinced that in my circumstances this is just more conducive to congregational singing. And having heard some fantastic congregational singing in my life, I'm willing to forego a bit of the symbolic tooling of extra settings to try and have that at my parish.

    Like @ServiamScores I'm just psychologically not able to program the same hymn twice in a row, but I have rejigged my vernacular hymn plans to include more repetition, and modestly pruned down the overall quantity.
  • ServiamScores
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    I know it could sound like a step backwards, but I've been convinced that in my circumstances this is just more conducive to congregational singing.
    I think your decision is prudent. Better to sing 2 or 3 really well, then 4 really poorly. This is why the only gloria we are singing in Latin right now is de Angelis. It's easy, happy sounding, and just as importantly: the only one we are singing, so people can learn it really well.
  • MatthewRoth
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    We sing I, IV, VIII, IX, XI, XVII, and XVIII. I’m going to add XII in the fall. So I’m moving in the opposite direction; they sing some things so well and others hardly at all, but that’s also fine. They are very active when they do know something; last night we did IV which they know less well, but they can do the Kyrie and Ite. They love the Regina Caeli. We run back “Great St Joseph Son of David” to IN BABILONE each year for his two feasts. I’ll probably reuse that tune for Ascensiontide instead of REX GLORIAE, and for the Faber text if we ever add that: two to three pairings is really solid for me, and it makes life easy if I can copy the file, delete voice 1 lyrics (voice 2 is verse numbers!), and add the new words. Boom, new hymn.

    Speaking of HYFRYDOL: I need an 87.87D tune for Wordsworth’s “Alleluia, Alleluia”. LUX EOI and HYMN TO JOY are not going to work here (the first is too hard, and the people with say dislike the latter). HYFRYDOL already has multiple texts for it. PLEADING SAVIOR works and would give me a second text for a tune that they get once a year right now (actually eight days: we do it for the Assumption novena that ends with Vespers on night nine, hence only eight days).

    But I don’t know, something feels off. Maybe I’m just too in my head over the pairing.
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  • We're going to be using:

    Credos 1, 3, and 4. 4 is the 3x/year one, where I just won't expect congregational participation, and 2 is the one removed.

    Masses 1, 8, 11 and 18. 4 and 9 have been removed.

    @MatthewRoth I would like to be moving in the opposite direction as well, but there needs to be a culture shift here first or it would only further reduce congregational singing. I view this consolidation as like an environmental modification to support a culture shift.

    With hymnody it's hard. When reworking my plans, everything I already had felt like a must-have, and I almost couldn't make any priority distinctions between them. Removing any of them felt a bit like torture.
  • MatthewRoth
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    We hardly do IX now that we do polyphony which is a shame, but they don’t sing at 6 AM anyway (Rorate Mass) so it wouldn’t matter what Gregorian ordinary we sing. Immaculate Heart will also always be a chant Mass, more often than not Annunciation too.

    We either do IV sparingly (3 to 4 times a year: the two St Josephs, Holy Thursday, Exaltation of the Cross if it isn’t polyphonic) or a lot (if we don’t have polyphony for the feasts in May/June that usually fall on weekdays: Ascension, Corpus, etc.)

    VIII comes out for weddings and for want of something better.

    We use Credo I so much that I am willing to use III when we do Mass XII, and we use III when we have a polyphonic setting.