Marian antiphons: origin, history, manuscript sources, theological import, alternate melodies, etc.
  • AngelaRAngelaR
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    I finished this article over the weekend and thought some members of the forum would appreciate it. I learned a ton researching it. There's something for everyone here.

    I. Introduction
    A. What is an antiphon?
    B. Where did the antiphons come from?

    II. The Marian antiphons
    A. Alma redemptoris mater
    B. Ave regina caelorum
    C. Regina caeli
    D. Salve regina

    III. Solemn tones, simple tones...and other tones
    A. Origin of the solemn tones
    B. Recordings and sheet music for simple tone and solemn tone settings
    C. downloadable simple tone settings in English, by Father Selner
    D. downloadable alternate tones from Chants Divers

    https://www.chantacademy.com/post/marian-antiphons
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  • MatthewRoth
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    The simplex tone of the Salve was composed no later than the 17th century. In fact a version of all four antiphons appears here (though the Alma incipit is radically simplified compared to the familiar version of the Vatican Edition).

    Tournai is the place of publication, in Belgium; I assume that it’s a Desclée volume (although it gets confusing as they printed books with the name of other groups as the publisher, as is the case for English-language versions of the Liber Usualis).

    The alternate Salve melodies are…something.
  • AngelaRAngelaR
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    @MatthewRoth I have heard the simple tone Salve was composed in the 17th century (I think I heard this from Marcel Pérès a couple years ago in a workshop), but I don't have any sources to back this up. To which source are you referring, please?

    And yes, it's a Desclée volume. I was away from my source when I wrote that part, and will correct the article. After seeing my posts about the alternate melodies on Facebook a few months ago, Jeff Ostrowski was able to obtain and upload the same book with a publishing date about 10 years later. You can take a look here, if you care to: https://archive.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/24/10/24/02-08-46_0.pdf
  • MatthewRoth
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    It’s in the link…
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  • AngelaRAngelaR
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    "The simplex tone of the Salve was composed no later than the 17th century." Hmmmm did you read through that source you posted carefully? There are deviations from today's simple tone all over the place: "dulcedo", "et spes nostra salve", "Evae", "suspiramus", "gementes et flentes", "oculos", "converte", "et Jesum benedictum", "nobis post hoc exilium ostende", "o clemens", "o pia", and "O dulcis Virgo Maria".

    The document is nonetheless fascinating, and I am grateful that you shared it.
  • MatthewRoth
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    not to deflect blame but it’s been posted here by @FSSPmusic before. I’m merely the messenger.
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  • FSSPmusic
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    And by others besides myself:
    https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/14089/are-the-simple-tones-of-the-marian-antiphons-vatican-edition-/p1
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  • a_f_hawkins
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    From the CANTUALE ROMANO-SERAPHICUM EDITIO TERTIA 1951
    The common Salve Regina, with endnote-- p394
    Salve Regina III
    Cantus Oratorii, Parisiis, 1610-1615; prima vice editus a. 1634 in
    « Directorium chori» (Oratorii Paris.). Auctor est probabiliter P. Bourget,
    Sacerdos Oratorii
    However, although I may well have confused editions of that 'Directorium chori', it looks to me like the same nuanced chant written in a modified mensural notation, already posted by MatthewRoth.
  • AngelaRAngelaR
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    @MatthewRoth I was referring to your comment about that link being "the" simple tone Salve. While it is a simple tone, it's not the one that is widely sung today. That's all.
  • MatthewRoth
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    Yeah I know; but that language, however imprecise, is apparently common.
  • JonathanKKJonathanKK
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    Thank you for bringing to my attention the Chants Divers pour les Saluts du Très Saint Sacrement.
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