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You're not Jesus. Are you even a musician?

Maybe you can go sing, "On Eagles Wings" with him, and drown your sorrows in a pint. Hope we don't have to listen.

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guys.... really?????

to the original OP:

"Postings on this forum represent the views of the individual participants and not necessarily those of the Church Music Association of America. (Some participants are not even members.)"

Sticking to the title of this discussion. I went to Mass on Saturday evening so I could go to a Presbyterian church with a friend on Sunday morning. It was a service called "Music Sunday." The selections ranged from Faure's "Cantique de Jean Racine" to a Dixieland-ish "Amazing Grace" to a Brahms viola and piano duet. Rutter's " Pie Jesu" sung exquisitely, both in technique and restrained yet emotional interpretation! Only very short bits of Scripture were read in between musical selections. Afterward the pastor said there were "no ringers." The whole assembly sang the Doxology with gusto. All this made me a little bit sad. No real liturgy, no True Presence, but the music was real and wonderful! I am feeling more and more dissatisfied with the state of Catholic church music.

RPhilips, please go to a different forum for politics. I am with Charles W. We have drawn our lines about music and that is bad enough!

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Perhaps you should suggest to Cardinal Dolan that he, too, should become a Southern Baptist.

I was sure he was a Presbyterian.

Well, the first post a least made a token gesture towards General discussion: Music, and it won't be the first or last time things have gone off the rails. It would be a pity to let the final word be

I am hearing some of them are "rent-a-kids" who don't even belong to those "parents."

when it's so easy to guess this isn't being heard from Snopes.

There seems to be a problem with understanding what Charity is...

It is not Charity, wishing well, the man going for a long walk on a short pier.
It is also not Charity wishing the money lenders well, when they are selling in the Temple. It is not Charity to wish the woman at the well that it is o.k. to have seven husbands.
It is not Charity to tell someone what they want to hear, but instead what they need to hear, to be converted to the Lord our God.
It is not Charity when you are in a lifeboat to keep dragging more people out of the water so that your lifeboat sinks.

...not charity to tell someone what they [sic] want to hear,...

In the same vein, it isn't charity (or responsible 'ministry') to play shabby music at mass because that is what some people wish to hear.

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This is hands down the most entertaining thread in forum history.

I wonder if those 4 year olds have learned their lesson.

Maybe their parents have, or at least the people they arrived with who, in some cases, are not their parents. DHS said that if they went to actual ports of entry and requested asylum, the children would not be separated. Apparently, they are just invading anywhere they please.

Since most of the illegals are from Guatemala, Honduras, and nearby areas, they are using Mexico as a conduit. Taking away all foreign aid to Mexico might encourage them to take control of their borders and stop this. On the other hand, I read that the drug cartels have taken over northern Mexico, so the government may be limited there.

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I haven't watched network television since I graduated High School (in 2005).

As far as the Fox News ad hominem is concerned, I could easily throw one back at you regarding using the "Clinton News Network" as a source, but I won't.

Also, I tend not to take anyone's political ramblings seriously (whether they wear a red tie or a blue tie) once they use the words "Nazi" or "Communist" unless they are actually talking about the Third Reich or the USSR, so I have no real interest in engaging with you.

I am not saying that this is not a serious topic for discussion, but I will say that (no pun intended) this is not the forum for it: Take it to Facebook or a more generic Catholic forum. I would also suggest that you refrain from attacking those of us who might view things differently, or who might wish to not discuss politics on a Sacred Music Forum.

Personally, while I don't deny that what these poor people are going through is not difficult, and while acknowledging that the law (NB: not 'policy') needs to be changed, the timing of this---after the successful and positive-for-Trump Korea summit---is just too 'perfect'; especially considering that 1) this appears to be a Cinton-era law, and 2) even W, the biggest war-monger of the recent Presidents, is joining the attack on Trump.

I believe Trump is a Presbyterian. I thought I heard his wife is Catholic. I am Byzantine so I think you're all nuts.

Great idea. Let's send the poor immigrants to YOUR house and let you fund them and keep them up. Put your money where your mouth is. Put up or shut up.

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Nothing like a little sanctimony with your coffee in the morning...

Salieri,

Really? High school graduation in 2005. You're making me feel OLD.
(Mind you, my 21 yr old son, getting married next year helps that, too, and my youngest being confirmed this year....)

R Phillips,

I would be willing to continue your conversation off-forum. I want to see how you come to your conclusions. PM me if you're interested in a serious give-and-take session.