Publishers announced for new Breviary!
  • @chonak yes I think thats what gives it the AI feel. I also really don't like the mixing of styles. If word on fire is not any better I think I am going to have to tape some holy cards on top of it or something.

    I think Publishers need to be careful when choosing art for liturgical books. It should point towards adornment rather than being the center of attention in the page.
  • igneusigneus
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    Will the US have no plain Liturgia-horarum-style edition with no artwork at all? Options with some artwork are nice to have, but...
  • @igneus it doesnt seem like it. Perhaps the "Christian Prayer Version" but both the full 4 volume published only by Ascension and Word on Fire have both announced that they will have art work.

    After Some searching, the only artwork I have seen with Word on Fire is this (see attached). But Im not sure if all of it will use the same style or not. It appears that Ascension will have original artwork by the same artist all throughout.
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  • chonakchonak
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    For the previous English LOTH for the US, the Daughters of St. Paul published a text-only book in one volume ("Christian Prayer"), with all the offices except the Office of Readings; and a single-volume book for the OOR.

    After the year 2000, they published some editions for Africa:
    https://shop.paulinesafrica.org/product/Liturgy-of-Hours--The-
    (4 volumes)

    https://shop.paulinesafrica.org/product/Prayer-of-the-Church--The-
    (one volume, 1740 p.)

    https://shop.paulinesafrica.org/product/Christian-Prayer
    (one volume, only 384 pages, so it's probably only selected portions)
  • @chonak but this is for the current version only right? not the one coming out this next year.
  • chonakchonak
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    That's right; I think the Pauline versions for Africa have the new psalter which we will be using, but otherwise it's the old edition.
  • DCM
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    The "African breviary" uses the short-lived Revised Grail psalms from 2008. The upcoming American books will use the Abbey Psalms, which are basically a Revised Revised Grail (one further step of revision). I guess some further tinkering was requested once the USCCB bought the copyright.

    A history of the revision process:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grail_Psalms
  • chonakchonak
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    Yes, I skipped that detail because I really have no idea how extensive the USCCB revisions were.

    Thanks.
  • Marc Cerisier
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    The current Abbey Psalms is closer to the 2008 version. The 2010 version (RGP) that was publicly released was destroyed by (as I’m told) non-native English speakers at the Vatican that went through the text with a broad “find and replace” paintbrush that introduced many errors to the text. Changes in leadership at the Vatican between the original 2008 submission and the acquisition of the psalter by the USCCB allowed for the re-edit of the texts.
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  • Liam
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    broad “find and replace” paintbrush


    A terrible tool in the wrong fingers.

    Also terrible is attempting to replicate Latin syntax in a ham-fisted or clumsy way.

    Also terrible: using false-friend cognates as translation crutches.
  • fcbfcb
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    I appreciate all the materials that Ascension is putting out to promote their edition of the LOH, and it really does seem like they are trying to attend to the aesthetics of it. Word on Fire has done little, by comparison, to keep people informed on their edition; as far as I know, no one really knows how it will look. I suspect that they are counting on the large donation they received to provide a free set for every seminarian in the US to make their edition the de facto choice of the clergy.

    On a musical note (pun intended), I saw from Ascension Presses promotional material that the psalms and canticles will indeed have asterisks and daggers, removing at least one barrier to chanting the Office.
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  • Free for seminarians, but doesnt seem so for Religious. I tried contacting them twice about any discount that could give us but did not receive any kind of answer. Im wondering what the plan will be. Everyone has about 1 year to get new breviaries by the time they are printed, but with how fancy they are printed most communities are going to have a hard time with pricing when they have to suddenly buy 4 volume sets for 20+ members in their local houses.
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  • drforjc
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    @monasteryliturgist my understanding is that a single donor offered to pay for a free set for seminarians (I'm in the Winona-Rochesteer diocese)
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  • MatthewRoth
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    I have no stake. My pastor doesn’t even own the current set. But it strikes me as unjust to buy books for seminarians except in the poorest dioceses or for seminarians in need (like ones from various foreign countries who can do work-study essentially but who can’t really work otherwise and have no savings or family and other American benefactors) and ignore (women) religious.
  • novusgordo
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    Consider yourselves lucky that the USCCB has kept you in the loop. The CCCB has said absolutely nothing about its plans to implement the new translation of Liturgia horarum in the dioceses of Canada. (But I guess that shouldn't be a surprise, given how Music for Catholic Worship has been coming "soon" for about a decade now...)
  • igneusigneus
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    Were I member of a religious community unable to switch to the new breviary translation in time because of financial constraints, I would consider myself in a good company. "Maybe somewhat poor after all!"
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  • ServiamScores
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    MR– am I missing something? I thought the announcement was that every seminarian in the US got a copy. What is your source that implies they will be excluding certain seminarians?

    Also, let’s not the perfect be the enemy of the good. It’s not unfair for a donor to do a good things for seminarians… perhaps another donor (or the same, if they were alerted to the issue which may not have even occurred to them) will take care of poorer religious communities.
  • fcbfcb
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    What is your source that implies they will be excluding certain seminarians?

    I'm pretty sure he didn't imply this. I took him to be saying that it would seem more just to give free copies to seminarians based on need than to give to all seminarians and exclude women religious.
  • @igneus If only it worked that way! :) When it comes to more liberal leaning communities they have no problem when they do things like replace the word "he" with "he and she" in the LOH but when it comes to more conservative religious life, the hierarchy watches us like hawks doesnt matter if if we are TLM or not, if you have a habit and live the vows... they watch very closely and if they saw us using the old breviary over the time limit we would be penalized. Do we have money to buy the breviaries? No. Will we still have to find a way? yes-- if we want to keep chanting the office in our choir where outsiders hear us.

    @drforjc yes thats my understanding as well, but I was hoping there still might be some kind of religious discount at least. Its a little frustrating when you are not sure if seminarians will even make it through--and are not required to say the office at this point, but the ones who are required to say it are going to have to struggle to find a way to get it. Im not asking that everything just be handed to us on a platter, but a little discount or a less expensive version might be nice for poor religious.

    Im not mad at a donor for being generous. God bless who ever that was. And yes, hopefully there will be another donor for religious, but I was hoping someone might answer my email at least as a way of courtesy and explain whether or not there was something being planned for this situation.
  • MatthewRoth
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    if they were alerted to the issue which may not have even occurred to them


    This is the problem. The donors are singlemindedly focused on priests and seminarians, and they probably should not be forcing the WoF edition on the men just because it’s Bishop Barron’s outfit which is essentially the reason to prefer it (well, OK: I think that it might be the better of the two but I have not seen sample pages of the WoF edition yet).


    I took him to be saying that it would seem more just to give free copies to seminarians based on need than to give to all seminarians and exclude women religious.


    Right.
  • AnimaVocis
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    Ascension does have a group discount that they are advertising. Not sure what it is, as prices have not yet been released, but they do mention in on the main LoTH page.
  • ServiamScores
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    This is the problem. The donors are singlemindedly focused on priests and seminarians, and they probably should not be forcing the WoF edition on the men just because it’s Bishop Barron’s outfit
    I'm weary to ascribe motives to any donor. You have no idea why they are choosing to support that platform over the alternative. For all you know, it's the WoF resources that brought the donor's child back from the abyss, or perhaps (then) Fr. Baron ministered at a family member's bedside. There are a million good reasons why they may be doing what they are doing. And lest we forget: without priests, it all comes to naught. So making sure the well is clean and well tended ensures that everyone else get's good spiritual drink.

    Sorry to come off as preachy, but I'm genuinely disquieted by these insinuations that someone is doing something wrong (or something good for the wrong reasons) just because they have ensured that seminarians get a good copy of the LoTH. How could we do anything but rejoice at that fact? Seriously.
  • @ServiamScores yesI agree with that. I dont think there are bad intentions on a benefactors part nor on the part of WOF. I actually think WOF version looks a little better than Ascension version--more traditional.

    I think the issue at hand is not so much intentions as it is being sure that there are other options without sacrificing a well made book. For example, neither WOF nor Ascension will have anything but gilded pages. Obviously that is more beautiful but on the other hand its more expensive. There could be ways to make the LOH more attainable with small differences like that.
  • MatthewRoth
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    I didn’t ascribe nefarious motives. It’s simply a disease in the American church that puts priests first, the laity second, active religious women a distant third, and active male religious who aren’t clerics and women contemplatives might as well not exist.

    Also, again, I don’t care if they have good intentions. I did not say that they don’t, so can we drop that claim? The problem is that by giving a copy to all of the seminarians from WoF, congrats, WoF wins, any seminarian who refuses his copy is an outcast and a problem. Why not let the market win and basically cut checks for people to acquire the copy that they want?

    Until we see more, there might be reasons to not want Ascension’s version, but AFAICT, at least Ascension has put out more sample pages and such. But again, WoF has an advantage and a sitting bishop probably should not be so closely involved to a publisher of liturgical books.
  • fcbfcb
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    It’s simply a disease in the American church that puts priests first, the laity second, active religious women a distant third, and active male religious who aren’t clerics and women contemplatives might as well not exist.

    Strong agree. And we deacons probably fall somewhere between the women religious and the male religious (except in those places where we're considered part of the laity, which is kind of a promotion).