Marian Antiphon during Holy Week
  • TLMlover
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    At Mass during Holy Week should the Marian Antiphon be omitted? I'm thinking for Good Friday, yes. But I wasn't sure about Palm Sunday or Holy Thursday. Any ideas?

    Thanks in advance!
  • Chrism
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    I believe it is traditionally omitted from the Office on Holy Thursday and Good Friday only, but that doesn't mean it can't be sung elsewhere if there is time.
  • monasteryliturgistmonasteryliturgist
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    I cant remember where exactly I read this- but I did find a directive that said after the Mass of the Lords Supper the Angelus, Martyrology, and Marian Antiphon are all omitted. It was a Pre-Vat 2 Directive.
  • smvanroodesmvanroode
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    At Mass the Marian Antiphon isn’t sung; it is only sung after Compline.

    During Holy Week, Compline is sung on Palm Sunday, and Monday through Wednesday.

    On Holy Thursday, Compline is sung after Vespers as on Sunday (with ‘Christus factus…ad mortem’ as responsory) only when one doesn’t participate in the Mass of the Lord’s Supper.

    On Good Friday, Compline is sung after Vespers as on Sunday (with ‘Christus factus…autem crucis’ as responsory) only when one doesn’t participate in the Celebration of the Passion of the Lord.

    On Holy Saturday, Compline is sung as on Sunday (with ‘Christus factus…omne nomen’ as responsory) only when one doesn’t participate in the Easter Vigil.
  • TLMlover
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    Thank you all very kindly for your responses. We sing the Marian antiphon at every Mass, after Holy Communion. I know of several parishes who do the same. It's good to have all the information about Compline, thank you very much SM!
  • Charles_Weaver
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    There isn't really a place for it on Maundy Thursday, since the Mass is followed by the Eucharistic procession. We do sing it on Palm Sunday after Mass at our parish.
  • TLMlover
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    Thank you, Charles, good advice. I'll put it on Palm Sunday only, then starting again on Easter Sunday.
  • Charles_Weaver
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    I should have added that we do Regina Caeli at the very end of the Easter Vigil too. It segues nicely into Widor!
    Thanked by 2tomjaw Chrism
  • MatthewRoth
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    :( the Regina Caeli comes back only after Compline. We’re unfortunately going to have silence as we will not have an organ.

    The Liber could not be more clear: whatever occasions call for, or devotional usage might require, the Marian antiphon cease after Compline of Spy Wednesday. From Matins and Lauds, there is no Marian antiphon, nor the Angelus.
    Thanked by 2Liam tomjaw
  • tomjaw
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    We always sing the Regina Caeli after Mass on the Easter Vigil, but we have the English custom not only of singing the Marian Anthem after Sung Mass, but also after Vespers!
  • TLMlover
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    Great info everyone, thank you!

    Widor, yum! LOL. Da da. Da-da-DA-da, da-da-DA-da, da-da-DA-da.....
    Thanked by 1Felicia
  • Charles_Weaver
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    Matthew, if Compline is not said by those in attendance at the vigil, then would one not consider after the Easter Vigil Mass to be "after Compline?" Wouldn't this be especially true in the 1962 Missal, where the Vigil ends with Lauds of Easter? Surely Lauds of Easter Day is after Compline of Holy Saturday, right?
  • a_f_hawkins
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    Are we supposed to switch off/disable the machine that tolls the Angelus?
  • monasteryliturgistmonasteryliturgist
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    @a_f_hawkins I cant speak very authoritatively but we do turn them off here- our Chaplain here said its part of the penitential nature of the triduum- so that you really feel the absence of it. I did find a document before (I feel like it was from the 1800s) that affirmed that the Angelus is not said, so I would assume if the Angelus is not said and the bells are not being rung- then that would include the Angelus bells.
  • MatthewRoth
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    Well the Marian antiphon is abolished after Lauds in the 1955 reforms. But that liturgy is supposed to be on Sunday as a first Mass of Easter.

    No, and I have long been convinced of this point. Now, trying to restore the anticipation of the liturgical celebration of the Resurrection that even the NO keeps if half heartedly (only incense but no candles at the Gospel) and actually doing it coherently is cutting my work out for myself. But Compline gives a teeny hint of this, and then Matins is where the real celebration begins.

    So we will end on a muted note and they will get the RC when they come back the next day.
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