Completely Hypothetical Question
  • edward.yong
    Posts: 41
    now, in the EF, music in vernacular languages may not be sung during the mass - that i know. can a motet with a text in Koine Greek be used? part of me thinks no, but given that the Kyrie is already in Koine Greek, perhaps yes?
  • francis
    Posts: 11,303
    lol... O, the imperfect world of humanity in time!
  • chonakchonak
    Posts: 9,180
    There's also a little bit of Greek in the Good Friday liturgy:
    "Hagios, o Theos; hagios ischyros; hagios athanatos, eleison imas."

    Apart from those, I wouldn't assume that a Koine Greek text could be used. On the other hand, I do believe that the priest can dispense from the usual language restriction.
  • SponsaChristi
    Posts: 694
    On the other hand, I do believe that the priest can dispense from the usual language restriction.

    No, he can’t. There were some instances in the past that Rome allowed certain vernacular languages to be sung by the congregation at mission churches hundreds of years ago, but a priest can’t just make dispensations on restrictions during Mass.
  • edward.yong
    Posts: 41
    i'm thinking of a situation where perhaps the Byzantine troparion+kontakion of the feast of the day is sung in Koine Greek, or even the remoter situation where a Palestrina-style motet is composed but with a Koine Greek text...
  • GerardH
    Posts: 646
    In some areas of Europe there was a tradition of celebrating the entire (Roman Rite) Mass in Greek for certain feasts.
  • RomanticStringsRomanticStrings
    Posts: 351
    What is the interaction of rubrics and praxis between the Mass of John XXIII and the Mass of Paul VI and John Paul II? How do certain allowances in the latter apply to the former, insofar as they are not built into the rubrics? Or how does what the pope promulgated apply to the Masses? I know that Pope Francis said that readings in the former must be in the vernacular (at least additionally), but do other papal proclamations apply in any way to the Mass of John XXIII?
  • GambaGamba
    Posts: 661
    @RomanticStrings Pp. Benedict’s newly-composed-for-only-the-EF Good Friday prayer for the Jewish people comes to mind
    Thanked by 1GerardH
  • Jeffrey Quick
    Posts: 2,241
    Mass of John XXIII?

    I like your style. But the Pope died even before Sacrosanctum Concilium, let alone before the NOM was constructed, Let's place responsibility where due, and call it the Mass of Paul VI.
  • Liam
    Posts: 5,570
    Perhaps that's a reference to the 1962 Missal?
  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 3,437
    it is

    you can only take from the new missal by indult; Fontgombault and its daughter houses, Le Barroux, and now Notre Dame Priory in Tasmania (founder from Flavigny, but he's an American, from my home parish in Kentucky, St Martin of Tours in Louisville known to many of you) use provisions of the indult of 1986 which brough Dom Calvet back into the fold. (Luckily those who used the vernacular readings have abandoned this for the Latin chant, but they usually still face the people per the 1962 rubrics of the epistle…)
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