This is the disaster of the NO.
no, because the normative liturgy is sung and when you do chant the Mass you chant most all of it per the rubrics.
The option for celebrant priests to choose to not chant the Mass was introduced with...Low Masses many centuries ago.
because the normative liturgy is sung
The custom legitimately in use in certain places and widely confirmed by indults, of substituting other songs for the songs given in the Graduale for the Entrance, Offertory and Communion, can be retained according to the judgment of the competent territorial authority, as long as songs of this sort are in keeping with the parts of the Mass, with the feast or with the liturgical season. It is for the same territorial authority to approve the texts of these songs.
It is silly and damaging to have more than one Alter Christus during a Mass.
"(Presumptively) confirm" might be a better way to describe the outcome than "cause."
I tried to convince them that the Church asks us to sing the Mass rather than merely sing at the Mass. I'm re-reading the Musicam Sacram and I can't find anything to substantiate that.
The question has been raised from several quarters whether the formula from the Instruction on Sacred Music and the Sacred Liturgy, of September 3, 1958, at number 33, is still valid: "In recited Masses, popular religious songs may be sung by the faithful, provided, however, that they are entirely consistent with the individual parts of the Mass."
This formula is outdated (It. superata).
It is the Mass itself, the Ordinary and the Proper, that should be sung, and not "something," even if it is entirely consistent, that is superimposed on the Mass. Because the action is unique, it has only one face, one accent, one voice: the voice of the Church. To continue singing motets, even devout and pious ones (such as the Lauda Sion at the offertory on the feast of a saint), but extraneous to the Mass, instead of the texts of the Mass being celebrated, means continuing an inadmissible ambiguity: giving chaff instead of good wheat, watered-down wine instead of generous wine.
Because in liturgical singing, we are interested not only in the melody, but also in the words, the text, the thought, the feelings clothed in poetry and melody. Now, these texts must be those of the Mass, not others. Therefore, sing the Mass, and not just sing during the Mass.
In the Dioceses of the United States of America, there are four options for the Entrance Chant: (1) the antiphon from the Missal or the antiphon with its Psalm from the Graduale Romanum, as set to music there or in another setting; (2) the antiphon and Psalm of the Graduale Simplex for the liturgical time; (3) a chant from another collection of Psalms and antiphons, approved by the Conference of Bishops or the Diocesan Bishop including Psalms arranged in responsorial or metrical forms; (4) another liturgical chant* that is suited to the sacred action, the day, or the time of year, similarly approved by the Conference of Bishops or the Diocesan Bishop.
Do you sing the Mass Ordinary in read Mass?
it's simply crazy that 99% of people in that room would never have been exposed to the melismatic chants that inspire contemplation in response to the readings.
yes… i did refer to to “in personae Christi” initially… but during the Mass it seems to be an aboration to have multiple priests doing what the high priest has always accomplished as a single representative. It appears that much of it continually wanders away from, waters down and even contradicts what has always been done.Not to get technical, but all priests regardless of what they’re doing (ie: concelebrating, sitting in choir, out doing normal people things, laicized, etc) are an “alter Christus” by the nature of their ordination. What you’re referring to is acting in persona Christi, which is what priests do when they confer the sacraments.
I have not experienced priests celebrating the VO to insert their personality, opinions, comments, and idiosyncrasies into the rite. IMMHO, preaching is where “personality” rightly displays personal charisms of intellect, knowledge, virtue, etc. and the only fitting place where it naturally shines.Hi Francis. You mentioned that NO priests tend to need a "personality"
Wouldn't you say that certain TLM priests also do that? Some celebrate the liturgy differently than others, and many of them have a distinct style of preaching
Although High Mass, historically, is the original rite, so that Low Mass is really only a shortened form of that, nevertheless, ...
Our people love the Mass, but it is Low Mass unembellished by singing to which they are chiefly attached.
N.B. All three were enthusiasts for sung Mass.The English speaking segment of the Synod was decisively influenced by the fear that the intention behind the normative Mass was to do away with the read Mass (which is so important in English-speaking regions), ...
In fairness, singing the full chant propers wasn’t the the standard parish norm prior to Vatican II, and I’m not referring to low Mass with the four hymn sandwich.
However I blame the SCR bureaucrats for setting out the Ritus servandus as though the Solemn Mass is an addition to the Low Mass.
The latter! Apparently a text approved by the bishops' conference. The Latin:*What makes a chant "liturgical"? Blood? The will of the flesh? The will of man?
Presumably a Latin text from the liturgy itself or from scripture needs no explicit approval, so the context must concern vernacular texts and translations or, far less likely, extraliturgical devotional Latin texts sung as motets or congregational hymns.alius cantus, actioni sacrae, diei vel temporis indoli congruus, cuius textus a Conferentia Episcoporum sit approbatus.
Do you sing the Mass Ordinary in read Mass?
it cannot be preferable by those with “nice voices”. It is a standard all must learn to bear with humility, effort and beauty inculcated as best as each one is able. Time must be given to ponder, rehearse, excersize and imbue the liturgy with all the voices of all present, each taking their own particular part.I'm not sure why as he has a very nice voice.
In fairness, singing the full chant propers wasn’t the the standard parish norm prior to Vatican II
In the N.O. this should be true but does an official document agree?To answer the original question, it is perfectly fine to sing the Mass Ordinary
He was speaking from experience among the poor. The low Mass was popular as working men that made up most of the Catholics in Westminster, had to go to work. The Masses were arranged so that men could skip breakfast or lunch to go to daily Mass. +Heenan would be seen at the back or outside his parishes during Mass so knew what he was talking about. These comments are from recollections Colin Mawby made of the Cardinal!Heenan, at the 1967 Synod of Bishops
What makes a chant "liturgical
@tomjaw that sounds interesting. Who are 'they', and when did they do their checking? Can you give a reference where I could pursue this.In every small English Parish church they checked it was normal to have a High Sarum Mass on every Sunday and every Feast.
... Although it is not always necessary (e.g., in weekday Masses) to sing all the texts that are in principle meant to be sung, ... Gregorian chant, as being proper to the Roman Liturgy ... some parts of the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin, ...
In the Eastern churches I hear a man won't be ordained unless he can sing. Would that the same applied in the West.
... a prime need, therefore, is that attention be directed, first of all, to the liturgical instruction of the clergy. Wherefore the sacred Council has decided to enact as follows:
15. Professors who are appointed to teach liturgy in seminaries, religious houses of study, and theological faculties must be properly trained for their work in institutes which specialize in this subject.
16. The study of sacred liturgy is to be ranked among the compulsory and major courses in seminaries and religious houses of studies; in theological faculties it is to rank among the principal courses. It is to be taught under its theological, historical, spiritual, pastoral, and juridical aspects. ...
So the production by Dom Gueranger of the Liturgical Year, and other books, the production of an array of Daily Hand Missals, and the various books explaining the Liturgy for adults and children over the years 1850-1950 does not count as Liturgical education?
True there is a fundamental break from the SRC policy in the VO
I would counter this by asserting that the people DID NOT (& continually) DO NOT NEED rubrics as singing the responses, Ordinary, Latin Hymns (Ave Verum, Ave Maria, and others… see the Parish Book of Chant) and the Marian Antiphon were consistent staples that are sung without a hymnal.However, because the 1962 missal lacks rubrics for the people
To participate in the discussions on Catholic church music, sign in or register as a forum member, The forum is a project of the Church Music Association of America.