printer or musician?
  • DrJS
    Posts: 10
    Just a little rant, take it as such.

    Employer, “I need to create publications and print them. What should I do?”
    Any sane person, “You need a graphic designer or administrative assistant and a printer.”
    No sane person, “You need a classically trained musician and a copy machine that doesn’t make booklets.”
    The Catholic Church, “You need a classically trained musician and a copy machine that doesn’t make booklets.”

    I don't have to produce a weekly worship aid, but when I do have to make a worship aid, we don't have the digital or physical resources that we need. I have to drive to the next town to get folded or stapled copies. We have a volunteer who comes into the church and folds all the copies for funerals. For weddings, I have to make a beautiful worship aid with all the music printed, pick them up from the printer, deliver receipts to the office and bride, and do all of this for no extra fee.

    One of my predecessors really loved making beautiful programs. I've been told that this was really wonderful and appreciated.

    Perhaps many of you enjoy and take pride in making beautiful publications. You must be holier than me.

  • GambaGamba
    Posts: 641
    Most Catholic churches: “Everything that could ever need to be printed is the sole responsibility of Sally, the secretary since 1987, with her high-school diploma and Microsoft Word 1998. What would we need a program for, again?”
  • DrJS
    Posts: 10
    @Gamba. I worked with Sally the secretary at a previous job. I spent a lot of time helping her use her computer so that she could "help" me put the service booklets together. Funny story: she once heard me use the word "pagination" and assumed it was the fancy word for "formatting." But she couldn't remember that big word and changed it to "pageantry." From then on, I always helped her with the "pageantry" for publications.
  • GerardH
    Posts: 620
    I am one who enjoys making beautiful publications, and while there are benefits to having the director of music make service booklets (above average understanding of the liturgy, doesn't need to be sent the music list), I have always regarded it as a separate task, and am paid as such.
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  • DrJS
    Posts: 10
    @GerardH, I'm glad your employer understands the difference and the need for separate compensation. Balancing helpfulness with professionalism is always difficult, especially when working in a church setting.
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  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 3,212
    Our copy machine now staples. But Adobe killed the function that allows for saddle-stitched booklets to be printed at the correct scale which is (was) a bug on macOS overcome somehow by Adobe. I guess Adobe Acrobat includes it but not the Reader app. It won’t fold and staple from the machine if you print from your phone (the bug doesn’t affect iOS AirPrint at the cost of not having printer options available: you have to add the printer by IP address, available on desktops only).

    So I fold the ordinary (just the chant with some instructions and the markings like the seasonal usage, what is alternatim, when to come in for the Sanctus and Agnus Dei, etc., no translations). And then I staple by hand. I’m probably gonna ask for an electric saddle stitch machine. We have a manual long stapler, but it is slow. I use my personal laptop, and both the pastor and DM also have Macs, but I don’t think that this problem is going away (I haven’t yet checked Adobe on the slow Windows machine, but it needs to be replaced and it’s a pain to turn it on, log in, log into Google Drive, download things, print from Adobe, and log out successfully).

    I am one who enjoys making beautiful publications, and while there are benefits to having the director of music make service booklets (above average understanding of the liturgy, doesn't need to be sent the music list), I have always regarded it as a separate task, and am paid as such.


    IDK. I’d be fine in a very large program if a more junior member does this. But there is sometimes a gap between the creator and the rest of us. I’ve seen this play out strangely. And the DM should be able to do it if it was that or you don’t have a booklet.
  • Our copy machine now staples. But Adobe killed the function that allows for saddle-stitched booklets to be printed at the correct scale which is (was) a bug on macOS overcome somehow by Adobe.
    We get around this by using the dedicated driver app for our printer. But the only way for me to have sure-fire success is to use an old windows laptop to do it... unfortunately, even the manufacturer's own mac driver isn't always reliable. It's very annoying.

    To the OP, I feel your pain. Probably 1/3 or more of my work week is making worship aids. We have ultimate flexibility, but I also have ultimate time commitment to make a single Mass happen. Pros and cons. I enjoy the work, but there's no denying it's tedious. You certainly shouldn't have to be running to another town to print on your own dime though... If your parish is going to offer this as an option, they should have the requisite equipment (even as a rental). And you should either get extra pay or comp time for doing extra work that is not part of the ordinary scope of a typical week.
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  • To the earlier poster discussing issues with printing booklets, at first glance it sounds like you're having an issue with imposition features in Acrobat? If that is the case, I'd recommend this program:

    https://www.notationcentral.com/product/pdf-batchbooklet/

    Driver issues can be frustrating in setting up such jobs. Describing how my workflow is setup—I make a variety of booklets, most often on legal paper. The PDFs I create from InDesign are the size of the individual pages (7x8.5 for legal, 5.5x8.5 for letter, etc...). You give that individual page file to the program linked above, and it outputs a perfectly imposed PDF to print (I used to use pro imposition software from EFI, and this is both free—if you want—and much easier to use). Then you print with Acrobat (select "Size" under Page Sizing & Handling, not Booklet; and Actual size for scale), select Flip on Short Edge for duplexing, and then—typically—Saddle for the staple option in the copier print options. In my experience on a Mac, it also has been beneficial to click on Page Setup in the print dialog of Acrobat and select the paper size and orientation. I presume that letting it choose automatically works for many, but with the jank machines I work with, manually specifying these details helps.

    If I've completely misunderstood your issue, sorry for that and I hope you figure it out. As not all will be familiar with the linked program, I thought it was worth mentioning for those who suffer with difficult imposition processes with their various computers and copiers. For those without booklet makers on their copier, the above steps can still be followed and then the paper folded manually or with a paper folder.

    Edit: And to the initial question, I've wondered myself... at the Cathedral in Memphis we ran a massive print shop that ended up as a bit of its own business unit in the parish—printing for many organizations across the diocese.
  • So much for the paperless revolution...
  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 3,212
    Imposition isn't the problem, from what I can tell. It's a machine folding or stapling for you (and in my case, the drivers communicating correctly with the OS). I can make all the booklets I want, and they print correctly since you no longer need to do a spread where things are in a different order than the printing order. But on the old machine, and if I want the printed material on the booklet to be the right size, then I have to fold and staple by hand.
  • In defense of Sally the secretary - she's probably paid a lot less, and gets even more crazy s*** to deal with than the music staff do.
  • bhcordovabhcordova
    Posts: 1,182
    So much for the paperless revolution..
    We do a lot of work for DHUD (The Department of Housing & Urban Development). I remember when the "Paperwork Reduction Act" was passed. It didn't reduce our paperwork. It just required each document from government agencies to have a paragraph stating why this document was required to be filled out. We saw an increase in the amount of paper needed to print the forms.
  • I just wonder how much information parishioners need that can't be found in, say, a missal or a hymnal (or from memories of basic liturgical training). On this one point I agree with critics who complain that we treat worshippers like concert-goers.

    [This is way off topic, and probably should be deleted by an alert moderator.]
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  • Liam
    Posts: 5,464
    Except for the deficiencies and limitations of hymnals (as the threads on hymnal choice tend to illustrate). Programs allow music directors to choose without those based on the needs and abilities of their particular communities, but that does create a production burden.
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  • I would really hate to be limited to Flor y Canto in our Spanish masses.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    And there’s no good (yet) collection of the Ordinary. One of these days, I’d like to put out my version of a Kyriale, but that project is on hold. Then something needs to be used to explain what’s going on. We have Latin motets. I think that translations for meditation are nice. Etc.
  • @ServiamScores Let me see if I have this quite straight. One-third of your work week and, it seems, more or less equivalent chunks of time for other professional church musicians are devoted to making worship aids? This is just the time spent in physically producing them, right, not including planning the music and other content?

    I sing a song of the saints of God,
    Patient and brave and true,
    Who toiled and fought and lived and died
    For the Lord they loved and knew---
    They dealt with the organ
    From morning to noon,
    Consoled the sopranos,
    And printed out tunes,
    They were all of them saints of God,
    And they soon,
    God helping,
    Shall get some rest.

  • Preparing the worship aid for a Sunday can take the better part of the day; I also have to produce a worship aid for our school masses. Then if we have a funeral (or two) or any other special midweek event, next thing you know I’m spending quite a lot of time making worship aids…

    I just wonder how much information parishioners need that can't be found in, say, a missal or a hymnal (or from memories of basic liturgical training). On this one point I agree with critics who complain that we treat worshippers like concert-goers.
    I had to sigh; when I took over my current job, I made the worship aids such that they only contain the music. We use a single 11x17 trifold and there’s simply no way to fit everything you need if you include readings and other things. At least… There’s not if you wanted it a size that people can actually read it. The biggest complaint that I received (multiple times!) was that the worship made no longer contained the text of the creed…

    You know… That prayer that we recite at every single mass that you should know by heart? The one that any ordinary mass goer has said at least 500 times since the translation changed more than a decade ago? That one? Yeah… That one.

    Enough people made remarks to the pastor that we had to end up producing laminated pew cards with the order of the mass on it. I still shake my head to this day.
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  • BTW- here's the pew card in case it helps anyone. Granted, it has our footer down at the bottom on the back, but you could photoshop your own diocesan crest if you felt so inclined.
    Order of the Mass (Pew Card) • FINAL DRAFT.pdf
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  • ℟. May the Lord accept the sacrifice

    TIL that the congregation at my parish has been making the wrong response for years.
  • francis
    Posts: 11,175
    There’s this thing called a Missal… you can get a daily or a Sunday, and by golly, no one would need a worship aid. Many of our parishioners have them.

    https://www.catholiccompany.com/collections/missals
  • Liam
    Posts: 5,464
    That's fine if the people in the pews are not going to be singing anything ever or if they will only sing the exact same thing all the time. Otherwise, additional pew resource may be prudent.
  • matthewjmatthewj
    Posts: 2,676
    I love doing worship aids… at my current job I design them, print them, put them through the folding machine, and put them out in the pews. I find the whole thing very relaxing and it’s my favorite non-musical part of my job.
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  • davido
    Posts: 1,150
    Lutheran church I attended as a kid printed a bulletin each week, listed the hymn and service music numbers, scripture reading references, and the rest of the leaflet was the announcements. Helped new folks find the right page in the hymnbook, but wasn’t wasting resources. The hardbound Lutheran Book of Worship provided what else was needed. Sort of like what a GIA hymnal pretends to be.

    This thing of printing music and readings each week in a leaflet, or each year in a missalette is hugely wasteful of the donated dollars of parishioners. Throw-a-way liturgy in a throw-a-way culture.
    The problem is that there aren’t many decent, permanent resources. The St Michael Hymnal finally gives us a comprehensive,, orthodox hymnal, but the only hardbound pew missals right now are from ILP. It’s just amazing that so few are willing to invest in quality lasting products.Coupled with the market share of the less-than-orthodox hymnal publishers (you know who), it’s a tough spot.
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  • This thing of printing music and readings each week in a leaflet, or each year in a missalette is hugely wasteful of the donated dollars of parishioners. Throw-a-way liturgy in a throw-a-way culture.
    I can assure you: our worship aids produced in house are much cheaper than seasonal missalettes, and by a wide margin. We do not print the readings, however, except for special occasions with the bishop or bilingual liturgies.

    And to Francis’s point: whenever someone complains about not having the readings, my response is to invite them to purchase a missal which has everything they could ever want in that regard. The MTF missal has all Sundays and weekdays of the complete three year cycle in one handy little volume.
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  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 3,212
    Offset printing and decent (at worst) bindings are expensive that I wouldn’t want to invest in more changes to anything that includes readings, psalms, etc., whether I’m a publisher or customer.
  • The parish where I attend mass has a pew resource that does not have the orations. So, I purchase an indivdual annual missal. I played the organ for so long with the previous texts (followed by years in Episcopal and ELCA churches) that the new (not so great) translation of the mass has not sunk in. In my lifetime, I've expeienced four different translations of such items as the responses at the Gospel, and the Nicene Creed. And, I'm one of those people who learns best when I can BOTH hear, and read, a text. By nine o'clock at night, I might MAYBE remember one point from the homily. I agree, if individuals want to "follow along," then there are options that are easily available.