• AbbysmumAbbysmum
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    I'm browsing choral arrangements, and I see lots of Christmas music that has handbells are part of the instrumentation. Is that a thing in the Catholic church?
  • Generically, yes. It's a "thing" fairly broadly, but only in specific churches. It's hardly de rigeur but it also isn't uncomon. I've never understood the appeal, tbh.
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  • We use handbells and have a 3-octave choir (11 ringers). For us, they are an effective tool for getting more people involved in music ministry and enhancing special feast days. Many on this forum won't care for them, but I don't mind handbells.

    There is, however, a very "Protestant-y" (???) aspect to some of handbell world: "Hey, it's the JuBELLations! Look at us in our matching uniforms and how cool we look ringing together!"

    That can be avoided by selecting modest, appropriate music and ringing from a loft.
  • As a former bell choir director, and as a member of a small bell quartet in College, I love the "instrument". It's fantastic for community outreach, and for fun, but its harder to use properly as a liturgical instrument (especially since the a-peal of the bells is that they are fun to watch when they are played).

    Most modern arrangements of bell-only music are VERY showy. However, using them sparingly as a decoration with chant, choral anthems, and hymns (from an unseen place) is one definite way they can be used without causing spectacle.
  • CharlesW
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    I played them while in college but never saw the need for them in Catholic liturgy.
  • Personally, I associate bell choirs with Protestant music ministries, and they feel a little faddish. More impersonally, I think bells traditionally have defined roles and places in mass. This isn't something I would do, except perhaps for non-liturgical carolling (and assuming we already had bells and didn't have to buy anything).
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  • AbbysmumAbbysmum
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    Most modern arrangements of bell-only music are VERY showy. However, using them sparingly as a decoration with chant, choral anthems, and hymns (from an unseen place) is one definite way they can be used without causing spectacle.


    Yeah, I kinda like the pieces that have bells as punctuation, but all-bells-all-the-time seems a bit much. One year when I was directing the children's choir we snagged some chimes etc from the school and were able to use them at Christmas. They were nice when used sparingly, adding some sparkle. I'm much more aware of proper form nowadays, so I wasn't sure if it was allowed or frowned upon.
  • I don’t mind handbells. I just don’t want them at during Mass.
  • A colleague of mine did a presentation on handbells in graduate school. She started her own handbell ensemble in her native country, which I think is still running, and she's been able to continue doing handbell activities here in the states. I actually found them quite interesting and fun to do. If I ever ended up in a parish where they had them, I wouldn't mind.
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  • Tintinnabulum: The Liturgical Use of Handbells/ Richard Proulx/ GIA.
    This was kind of a "thing" in the late 70s.
    There are some Proulx compositions in the GIA catalog.
  • I was able to find this book online for a skim. Unfortunately it’s sparse on historical discussion, which is what I was interested in seeing. “Sometimes small bells were used in the past, here are a few illuminations that show it, and now onto my 1970s handbell arrangements” is about the extent, with some interesting little discursion into Flemish vs. English bell characteristics. I try to be open to where my understanding of customs may be historically limited so I’d be interested in a better survey of handbell use liturgically, if anyone knows of something.
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  • I grew up at a parish that had a handbell choir, and I now work at a parish that has a handbell choir, which I direct.

    The handbell choir joins the adult choir for several high feasts (Christmas midnight Mass, Easter, Ascension or Pentecost, Corpus Christi) and also joins in our annual Choral Stations of the Cross during Lent. We have a couple other dates in there to keep us busy (this season, Nov. 9 for Lateran Basilica and the last Sunday of OT before Ash Wednesday). We have also played at our diocesan cathedral for their permanent diaconate ordinations.

    I inherited the handbell choir, which has three octaves of handbells and three octaves of choirchimes (kind of like a xylophone taken apart, with a mallet attached to each note) when I started. They are functional (helping us have a full half-hour of music before Christmas and Easter, when people come very early) and add a special touch to these Masses.

    Handbells have a surprising amount of textures and techniques, and the choirchimes add a mellow sound to contrast the bright bells. I was surprised with how much fun they are to play and how many different sounds you can create. Used properly, they add an extra special touch to a Mass.

    Before I was there, they had to set up in front, as we have a very tight space in our church (no loft) and it was the only place they could set up. Aside from being distracting, it was uncomfortable for all involved, so I asked for a parishioner's help in creating tables that could be set up in the pews near the choir section (in front, to the right of the altar) -- far less visible and far more comfortable. I can conduct an organist or pianist, the adult choir, and the handbell choir simultaneously without too much difficulty.

    As much as GIA gets maligned here, and often deservedly so, they have the most suitable pieces for use at (or really: before) a Catholic Mass and also have bell parts for a number of standard hymns. I buy new pieces almost exclusively from them.

    I don't know if I would have started a handbell choir had there not been one when I arrived (the costs of starting one aren't small, so you pretty much need some donors to foot the bill), but it's made me a more versatile musician and rehearsals are really a high point of my week. I think it'd be worth it for those of you who don't have such a choir to try it sometime and see what it's like.
  • AbbysmumAbbysmum
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    As much as GIA gets maligned here, and often deservedly so, they have the most suitable pieces for use at (or really: before) a Catholic Mass and also have bell parts for a number of standard hymns. I buy new pieces almost exclusively from them.


    That's where I was browsing this morning when I started this thread LOL. They also have many very nice instrumental arrangements of standard hymns, such as concertatos etc and the SATB arrangements are very nice in the ones I am familiar with. GIA isn't perfect, but for what it is, it does some things very well.

    I don't know if I would have started a handbell choir had there not been one when I arrived (the costs of starting one aren't small, so you pretty much need some donors to foot the bill), but it's made me a more versatile musician and rehearsals are really a high point of my week. I think it'd be worth it for those of you who don't have such a choir to try it sometime and see what it's like


    I noticed! Oy! I didn't realize they were so pricey. Right now I'm working on choral risers for the parish. But it's gratifying to know they have value for you and your parish! It makes the task at hand so much easier and more rewarding when it's something we look forward to.
  • Used properly, they add an extra special touch to a Mass.

    The Mass doesn’t need this. God is literally made present on the altar at every single Mass. No amount of handbells can add to that to give it an extra special touch. The more I talk to people at my parish, the more I am convinced that either people don’t believe this, they don’t know it, or this do know and just don’t care.
  • The Mass doesn’t need this. God is literally made present on the altar at every single Mass. No amount of handbells can add to that to give it an extra special touch. The more I talk to people at my parish, the more I am convinced that either people don’t believe this, they don’t know it, or this do know and just don’t care.


    I will ask this politely; please stop it.
  • davido
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    That’s iconoclast nonsense.

    I realize that people who like handbells are often at church for the feels more than the dogmatic theology, but if you follow your reasoning through, you’re gonna wipe out music entirely.
  • I realize that people who like handbells are often at church for the feels more than the dogmatic theology, but if you follow your reasoning through, you’re gonna wipe out music entirely.

    The point I was making is that the Mass is so ineffably above us that there is nothing we can add to it to make it better than what it already inherently is. Music during Mass has its own purpose during Mass.
  • davido
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    Which purpose is what?

    If our offering has no value, then why do we go to mass? Of course a pontifical mass is more special than a simple low mass, and a mass with full choirs in a cathedral is more special than a simple weekday mass with a couple retirees in attendance.
    This isn’t a statement on the theological or legal significance of the mass as sacrifice, Christ offered once for all and represented on the altar, etc. It’s just a common sense understanding of time, treasure, and human interaction. After all, we will be judged on how we stewarded our talents: how we grew what we were given and how we offered it to God.
  • One thing to be considered is that percussion instruments are not supposed to be used at Mass, (see St Pius X's encyclical on sacred music), and handbells fall into that category. Yes, bells have a liturgical function, but for that very reason I don't think they should be used outside of that specific function.

    Tra le sollecitudini, VI:19. "The employment of the piano is forbidden in church, as is also that of noisy or frivolous instruments such as drums, cymbals, bells and the like."
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  • What I don't appreciate is that in a long, detailed response answering the OP with my experiences, that a tiny sliver of it was blockquoted and taken in a way I clearly didn't intend in service of an ax to grind.

    I'm sorry if I sound grouchy, but this is what makes me grouchy.
  • AbbysmumAbbysmum
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    One thing to be considered is that percussion instruments are not supposed to be used at Mass, (see St Pius X's encyclical on sacred music), and handbells fall into that category. Yes, bells have a liturgical function, but for that very reason I don't think they should be used outside of that specific function.

    Tra le sollecitudini, VI:19. "The employment of the piano is forbidden in church, as is also that of noisy or frivolous instruments such as drums, cymbals, bells and the like."


    And yet the piano is ubiquitous in Mass, at least around here. *shrug* With the expense of organs as well as the lack of organists and teachers (I start proper organ lessons this week, but I have to travel 2.5 hours each way to get them), they are fading from our parishes and being replaced by readily trainable, easily replaced pianists. Plus, pianos are in the order of 10's if not 100's of thousands of dollars cheaper to maintain and replace. It's a practical reality.

    The only real argument here is that bells do serve a specific liturgical function, and that we shouldn't muddy the waters by having them as part of the instrumentation. As much as I find them charming in small doses, I could get behind that as an argument to exclude them.

    But I mean, music is evolving. At one point, anything but a single melody line with the human voice was frowned upon. Then we slowly started adding harmonies. We developed polyphony, which was both discouraged and embraced at different times in the Church. Organs were once considered profane, but now they are the preferred instruments. Some things have remained constant - the preference for the human voice, for example - but all the other periphery has changed over the centuries as we sought new and beautiful ways to worship.
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  • One thing to be considered is that percussion instruments are not supposed to be used at Mass,

    Amen to that. Today I couldn’t stay focused during the Offertory long enough to make my offering/Mass intentions today because I kept getting distracted by the rumbling of the timpani in the background. So irritating and distracting. If you’re going to play timpani, play it!
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  • Okay I get all the arguments over bells and I personally have a distaste in my mouth for them. However, if percussion instruments are not allowed (I haven't read the encyclical of that great saint sadly) are the percussive stops of an organ disallowed? Not just chimes but also those beautiful harp stops are to be disallowed? (Okay I get hating chimes but I love me a nice harp).
  • Liam
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    . . . der Zimbelstern ist verboten . . .
  • CharlesW
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    I used the zimbelstern at Easter for the Gloria. I figured that since I donated it I could play it if I pleased.
  • TCJ
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    Not enough organists so we need pianos?

    What's interesting is how back when there were plenty of organists and organs, churches abandoned them in favor of the new fad of pianos and guitars. As organists were thereby sidelined in many cases, there was much less incentive for people to study it. Why study what is now being shunned? Now after using pianos and guitars to get rid of organs, we're really going to use the lack of organs and organists as a reason not to use them? This is a created problem. Not acceptable. Churches "find" the money for all sorts of ridiculous things. If they really want something, they can find a way.
  • Interesting use of bells in this very beautiful recording of Of the Father's Love Begotten: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mkUAk94ThI&list=RD7mkUAk94ThI&start_radio=1