Antiphonale Romanum
  • DOAdvocate
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    Hi everyone,
    My first post here (UK based). I've been getting into the Divine Office lately (hardly anyone here knows anything about it, hence my username!), the 1962 version seeing as that's the one approved, after a fashion, for current use that still has a full psalter, and I like the Latin over the vernacular. I'm a musician, and particularly love chanting the Office, but the Liber Usualis only gets me so far. I'd like to be able to sing any hour of the Office every day, without having to get my laptop out or print off something from the various pdfs online of the Antiphonale Romanum.

    Does anybody know of a copy of the Antiphonale Romanum (1960) that is for sale? I can't find one anywhere.

    The other thing I've been considering is sending off to a print company who will print the book out for me and it would be at least better than me just printing off 1600 pages at home. Thing is, it's extortionate - I don't want to spend £400 on one just for me if I can avoid it - though if that's what I have to do, then maybe eventually I would. If there are others here who want a printed copy, the price comes down dramatically - the second company I briefly looked at would charge about £150 for each 3-volume set if I ordered 4. Does anyone want this? Or am I the only one bothered about trying to not rely on screens and printouts... If there is interest I will pursue the idea.

    Thanks everyone!
  • DOAdvocate
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    Sorry - this is probably in the wrong category! Should be under Gregorian Chant. Mea culpa.
  • tomjaw
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    Please don't reprint the 1949 (updated 1960) Antiphonale Romanum, it is full of mistakes, and some of the directions are misleading.

    I sing from a 1949 copy when I am at home, the binding is broken so is not suitable for Liturgical use. We usually use booklets, or Liber Usualis for Liturgical use.

    For copies as you are also U.K. try here https://www.stphilipsbooks.co.uk or on ABe books.
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  • SponsaChristi
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    I may be mistaken, but the Monks of Solesmes seem to have published it in multiple volumes.
    https://www.solesmes.com/product-category/office

    Here’s a preview of what’s inside:
    https://www.ccwatershed.org/2020/09/16/solesmes-publishes-antiphonale-romanum-i-for-lauds/
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  • tomjaw
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    @SponsaChristi I think they are for the new office, not the Divine Office.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    We are very flexible here as to post tags.

    A reprint (in the sense that it is from the 1950s/60 revision) with a quality, ish, I hope, binding is coming soon. I will get this for want of something better.

    The Nocturnale of Sandhofe is also being reprinted, finally, although as @xmarteo points out, that edition has tons of mistakes…but it is a beautiful book, and it will be a while before Matthias and co. finish their work.
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  • SponsaChristi
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    @SponsaChristi I think they are for the new office, not the Divine Office.

    I see that now. I keep forgetting that Gregorian chant and Latin are still a thing in the church. I’m not accustomed to seeing modern resources to actually use it with our current Missal.

    What’s wrong with just using the Liber?
  • MatthewRoth
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    I'm a musician, and particularly love chanting the Office, but the Liber Usualis only gets me so far. I'd like to be able to sing any hour of the Office every day, without having to get my laptop out or print off something from the various pdfs online of the Antiphonale Romanum.


    The Liber doesn’t have férial days except for Vespers of the Monday and Tuesday after Quinquagesima and the Triduum. It doesn’t even have the férial tone for the Te Lucis of Compline. Lauds only on major feasts. The AR gets you everything but Matins.
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  • DOAdvocate
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    Thank you all for your help.
    @MatthewRoth
    Exactly, the LU is great for what it was meant to be but it is really quite peculiar in that it is a complete mix of ‘62 reforms and pre-62 rubrics. It’s taken me a long time to get to grips with. But it is pretty excellent for singing the EF Mass (at least that’s what I’ve found so far).
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  • DOAdvocate
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    @MatthewRoth
    Also to your earlier reply - that Antiphonale looks great, basically exactly what I was planning on attempting (probably badly!)
    Any idea on when it might arrive?

    I’m not so bothered for a Nocturnale at the moment, knowing how there’s been Sandhofe and the attempts elsewhere to bring it back into line are not very far along. If I start wanting to sing Matins I will probably do it recto tono, at least until I want the chant!
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  • DOAdvocate
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    @Tomjaw
    What is wrong with the 1949 updated ‘60 version? Sorry I’m not at all familiar with any of the pre-49 things…
    I know it’s for private devotion so I could do whatever but I would like to do the valid ‘62 version, which is the Antiphonale we’re discussing.
    What are my other options?

    I’ve been making booklets for liturgical use (though we’ve not started yet), but for my own daily use I’d rather have something more lasting.

    I can’t seem to find the right section on the website you directed me to, it does seem familiar though. I will look again later.

    Thank you again, it’s very helpful hearing everyone else’s experiences!
  • MatthewRoth
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    No, I don’t know when they’re taking orders. Not to push people on FB, but that’s where they’re posting apparently, so stay tuned there.

    I make booklets too in lieu of having copies of the antiphonal. And I want a full one, but it’s an imperfect book. The new antiphonal makes good decisions, like the psalter in the middle.
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  • tomjaw
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    @DOAdvocate
    The 1960 edition here is the 1949 edition.

    I use it to sing Vespers and Compline every Sunday, and some other Feasts, while it is better than the Liber as it has all the texts and music. Its usability is rather flawed, my colleagues singing from the Liber have a far easier time.

    The usual edition of the Liber has at least 10 errors, while the Antiphonal has at least 50... Some to music and some to the texts.
  • DOAdvocate
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    Thanks all for your help. I’ll probably end up waiting for the Facebook group linked by @MatthewRoth to purchase an Antiphonale. I have contacted the Latin Mass Society to ask for their help too, and to see if they have anything else to say on the matter or if they want to try a private print run.

    @tomjaw
    Do you happen to have a list of the errors? In particular the Antiphonale, as I assume wherever I end up getting one it will include those errors, but the Liber errors too would be much appreciated.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    Well there is an errata list in the back already. I would like @tomjaw’s list too. That would be helpful as I prefer to use the Liber antiphonarius to decide between things (I mostly work with Vespers and Compline, but occasionally I typeset Sext.)

    As to usability: the psalms are not pointed. I think that if you sing enough, you don’t really need it, except for a few stub verses that show up mostly at Matins or at Lauds, such as at Tenebrae, but also at Vespers. That said, tone 4E is challenging even for the best groups, and it didn’t fall apart on us this year, but it definitely is the psalm tone that we take the slowest after the mediant on purpose. The Roman books all have the hymns in full, at least.

    The advantage of not pointing is that you don’t have to reprint all of the psalms except as a courtesy which is done in the middle (albeit haphazardly). Psalms of Sunday? You flip to Sunday and back to the antiphon (this is a problem for the binding in the long run, and it makes the book hard to hold, but it’s the same with the Liber). Psalms of Apostles? You flip to Sunday and just memorize psalm 116, or you can flip to the psalms of feasts in the middle. And so on and so forth. I forget where it tells you which psalms to pray for Our Lady and the women saints and where those are, but it’s the same idea.

    My ideal books would split the hours up so that you do need multiple volumes but where the psalms are printed in the way that the LU does for Matins: antiphon, first verse in chant, pointed psalms.

    I would also add the ancient hymn texts and melodies (one verse only, at most; the people who want to use these texts can handle it IMHO) found in the appendix in the Vatican edition but omitted in the 1949 Solesmes book.
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