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I agree that the Chant as found in say the Gradual Romanum 1924 is not suited to the New Mass. The TLM has developed organically with the music, the Ritual has grown to suit the music, and the music has grown to fit the Ritual. The creates a bigger picture that makes the TLM a Liturgy, that can be recognised as such by those that attend other ancient forms of Liturgy. Our Coptic priest has noticed that the TLM is Liturgy and is similar in form and intent to his native Coptic Rite, while the N.O. does not appear to be Liturgy, and lacks the form and intent.

Comparing the TLM with the N.O. is a bit unfair, the Normative form of the TLM is the Solemn High Mass, so the Music and Ritual naturally fit together seamlessly. The N.O. was not designed that way the Ritual was designed, with little thought to the music, the question remains how was "Gregorian Chant should take pride of place" ever more than an optional extra in the N.O. as produced?

While we have been told that music would be produced for the new Ritual, this has still not been done officially...

The problem with the Credo also appears in the TLM, there is some claim that we must recite the Creed. So polyphonic Credo, are not sung and Credo III is sung to allow a lower kind of active participation. We work on the principal that we will also sing the polyphonic Credo, but we only sing polyphonic ordinaries around one Sunday a month.
back many years ago when I sang in a choir that sang at a Latin N.O. Mass, I am sure we would sing a chant Creed. So it can be done at the N.O., but many priests claim it MUST be recited by the assembly in a language that the priest may not fully understand and a congregation that has no clue to what they are saying.

Those on here that are programming music for the N.O. have done the following,
Entrance Hymn followed by Introit...

The Gradual and the Alleluia can be sung instead of the R.P. (the Gregorian Missal has the arrangements) but this is very rarely done, as many people think the Lectionary texts MUST be used rather than there being a choice (So Gregorian Chant can take pride of place).

The Offertory is a more difficult piece of music, and many people will have difficulty replacing the usual Song / Hymn, that must be sung, even if it has nothing to do with the Ritual text it replaces and only has a loose association with the Faith of our Fathers.

The Communion is easy to add, because the congregation can't sing while lining up for cafeteria serviceHoly Communion.

I agree, our abbey uses the Graduale Romanum for the OF and it works just fine and is very beautiful. A Sunday Mass takes about 1:10, a regular weekday Mass about 35 min. A bit longer on feasts and solemnities.

It maybe that in sung masses such as Mass in Honor of St. Joseph by Flor Peeters, or the Christmas Carol Mass by James Korman and many other sung Masses, the Credo was considered to long to sing and reciting the Profession of Faith allowed for more participation by the congregation. When I sang in St. Mary's Choir in Akron, Ohio we celebrated the Novus Ordo with Latin and used sung masses exampled above and we never sang the Credo.

Every Sunday, the Choeur grégorien de Paris sings a Missa cantata in the Ordinary form (or Roman rite, per Traditionis custodes' terminology), all in Latin, with full propers and ordinary.

In a previous job I directed a schola in a small town of 27k. Every solemnity and on First Saturdays (when the BVM) they sang the Gregorian Introit, Gradual, Offertory, and Communion as printed in the Graduale/Gregorian Missal. The people sang Mass VIII or IX, Credo III, and the Marian antiphon at the end. Celebrant sang all the dialogues and prayers. Depending on attendance we were in and out in 50-55 minutes, including a 4-minute homily and additional hymns at the beginning before the introit and after Communion. Typically there were around 100 there; those who wanted to be in and out quick for the holy day’s obligation came in the morning or afternoon.

I think that if one is singing the chant at a reasonable pace, and the celebrant is not skimping on the ceremonial (i.e. incense at all the right times), and there is not extra music added where it is not needed (hymn at the procession in a small church) everything lines up perfectly in the new Mass.

I know I've sung in the schola for an OF-with-propers at least twice, for feasts of Our Lady at a confraternity chapel (ie not at a parish). Usually the Gradual is not included so that the Responsorial Psalm in the vernacular can be read by a lay person instead, or, in some cases, sung by a cantor. I think we always managed the rest of the propers, though. The Ordinary and Creed are chanted, but a handout is given to the congregation showing the chants with their notation and Latin, and a vernacular translation, so they can follow along. This being not-a-parish, timing was not a problem - the priest there can set his schedule as he pleases, and for a major annual feast of Our Lady, patron of that chapel, the people are delighted to come early, stay late, and buy sweets from the kiosks outside afterwards. The confraternity and people who assist there choose to go there because of their particular devotion and/or because of the more 'solemn' liturgy so 'hurry up' is not part of the norm there.

We use vernacular and Latin chant in our NO masses regularly. There is no problem except will-power. We haven’t had an offertory hymn in a long time; we’ve been singing vernacular offertory chants. We’ve had communion antiphons for 3 years now. Depending on the level of solemnity and occasion, we either have an entrance hymn, EH + introït, or just introït. I’ve also sung graduals rather than responsorial psalms.

We should also remember that the missal of Paul VI recommends chant first, before the more common (unfortunately) alternatives.

To address this more fully than in my earlier post, we always sing the propers at Mass. Our setting of the ordinaries varies by season, but that setting is always chant (English during OT, various Latin settings the rest of the year). Sung English Creed always. The propers are normally vernacular chant, but are never omitted (and usually followed by a hymn). Full Gregorian propers including gradual are used on high feasts (with the exception of the typical simplified N.O. Alleluia). Simple Latin propers during Lent and Advent. Usually, the biggest thing that determines whether we're there for an hour or an hour and fifteen is the length of the homily. Singing the Creed at the proper pace adds maybe a minute maximum to Mass overall. I suppose sometimes the introit adds time to Mass because it comes after the hymn and we have a rather small church and short aisle. However, again, this is no more than perhaps 30 seconds.

I will say though that I don't believe time constraints ought to be the primary concern. However, in case your're trying to defend using such things, the difference in time is negligible.

At St Paul's Harvard Square in the years of hymnals created by Theodore Marier, in addition to Credo III, there were two English-language creeds sung - one vernacular chant and the other a recto tono (on G) with choral/organ chordal harmonic accompaniment (in the second edition of Hymns Psalms and Spiritual Canticles, the congregational "part" is #12, the organ/choral "parts" are at the end at #598 / pp 989-996), which worked far better than one might assume. We've had a number of discussions in the more distant past on recto tono settings of the longer parts of the congregational parts of the Ordinary of the Mass.

From Mr Chonak in 2015:

https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/comment/153920#Comment_153920

"The Communion the whole from the priest receiving until all the faithful have received."

A reminder that the common practice of waiting for the general distribution is non-rubrical, shall we say. Start right as the celebrant communes.

It is a mistake to think that every well-done Novus Ordo will resemble a Tridentine High Mass.

Some will resemble a beautiful Low Mass with hymns and a sung Ordinary. Maybe like a German Singmesse. There was room for the Low Mass with music before, and this remains, with expanded possibilities.

CGZ I do not agree that the NO is fundamentally anthropocentric. Only the liturgy of the Word can be characterised like that. The common performance is a distortion to make it much more people oriented, but it is a distortion.

You make it sound like the conclusion is foregone.

Well we know for a fact that the Graduale Romanum and Missale Romanum grew up together more as twins than siblings. We also know that the Novus Ordo was written with little thought as to the music, contrary to Vat II; "that chant should take pride of place".

Of course what we do have above is a difference of opinion and practice,
We have those that have not seen the Chant Propers sung at the N.O. We have those who's experience of the N.O. think it does not work, and those wonderful people above that have made it work in a variety of churches. Thanks to multiplicity of practice as found in the celebration of the N.O. two opposed points of view can both be correct.

Additionally, microphones are normal in the new ordo, and present exactly the opposite attitude to chanted Latin propers and Ordinaries.

With all the things that the Novus Ordo "encouraged", for better or for worse, I can't see how it specifically promoted or called for microphones.

Must have missed the rubric forbidding microphones in the EF, that is, if there is such.