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I desperately want to start a secret choir called "Caballa Cantorum".

LIke Tonus Peregrinus???
Definitely!!!

And not too different from Musica Ficta over in the next parish.

No... but I could have.
(What an inharmonious bunch!!)

Bringing this topic up again... "Parish Choir/Quire" was nixed as all choirs belong to the parish (my number one choice)

We have a "Gregorian Choir" and a "Youth Choir".

Our parish is named after one of the North American Martyrs. Perhaps this little fact will trigger another suggestion.

I will get the input of choir members but I want to bring definite ideas to the table.

How about Chantalot? The Benedictunes?

Name? The blind, the lame, and the deaf is getting close. LOL.

Seriously, age is taking a toll on us.

The Parish Choir
The Children's Choir
The Funeral Choir
The Life Teen Band
The Cantors

Hopefully someday:
The Men's Schola
The Women's Schola

Some people make the mistake of adding an 's' or an 'es' to possessivatise names... such as 'Charles's harpsichord'

In academic writing, it is correct to write "Charles's harpsichord" or "Brahms's unusual handling of the hypermetric structure." ;-)

>>English.
>>Rules.


My sides.

My choir has a last name- it's M A Y E R!
Couldn't resist

THEO -

THE correct possessive for Charles is Charles' harpsichord.
for Brahms it's Brahms' unusual handling of the hypermetric structure.

Adding an extra 's' to nouns ending in 's', besides being funny, shows ignorance of proper usage

It's St Francis' Poem of Creation, It's St Thomas Aquinas' Summa theologiae
But it is St Jerome's vulgate, and St Dunstan's patronage of music.

While on possessives, I cant resist noting yet again that it is
St Helen's Church, not the rather dumb St Helen Church
It is St John Vianney's Church, or The Church of St John Vianney...
but not St John Vianney Church

Catholics do not just name their churches after saints. They are placed under the patronage of St David, or St Anselm, to whom the church 'belongs' because that saint is the patron... furthemore, if your parish is St Augustine of Hippo's Church, St Augustine's day has the rank of solemnity in your parish - solemnity reflected in your finest liturgy and music... and maybe a great parish dinner.

To recap: never add an s to a word that ends in s to indicate the possessive, only an apostrophe

Catholics do not just name their churches after saints. They are placed under the patronage of St David, or St Anselm, to whom the church 'belongs' because that saint is the patron...

Actually, the titular and patron saint of a given parish are not necessarily the same. You are correct, though, in that both feast days in such a case (as well as the anniversary of dedication) would be celebrated as a Solemnity, even if they fell on a Sunday (in Ordinary Time).

(Yes, I know it's not necessarily relevant to the discussion.)

Here are some more parentheses for you: ()()()

Our parish is named after one of the North American Martyrs. Perhaps this little fact will trigger another suggestion.

"Martyr Choir" could be appropriate on a number of levels...does your choir consist of martyrs, or does it make them?

Yes, but we are talking about modern English, not some archaic form. We are Americans, so the rest of the world can perish - LOL. Money, singular and plural, was determined as correct by the grammar and style books used in my classes during the 1960s. While I agree that an older form may have come back, as they sometimes do, I think "moneys" as used today was a creation of the federal bureaucracy. I first encountered it in government financial documents in the 1970s, when I worked for the feds.

I recently received from Smithsonian's periodic e-mail to its supporters, an interesting article about hearing Shakespeare as spoken in his lifetime. I don't know if this link will work for non-subscribers, but if not the information may be available elsewhere. Very different than what we learned in school.

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/smartnews/2013/09/hear-shakespeare-as-it-was-meant-to-be-heard/?utm_source=smithsoniantopic&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20130915-Weekender

Yes, but we are talking about modern English, not some archaic form.

I see -- your new argument is that "moneys" was right historically, but then it went away, and its recent reintroduction is somehow inauthentic, so you prefer the new, modern English without it.

"Moneys" never went away, and it has not been reintroduced.

1596 Shakes. Merch. V. i. iii. 117 You come to me, and you say, Shylocke, we would haue moneyes.

1819 Scott Ivanhoe xi, ‘O’, said the Jew, ‘you are come to pay moneys.‥And from whom dost thou bring it?’

1822 Byron Werner ii. ii, But to steal / The moneys of a slumbering man!

1839 Penny Cycl. XV. 322/1 The denominations ... of the different moneys current among the chief nations of antiquity.

1866 Crump Banking v. 118 An agreement to pay the bill when certain monies were realised.

1885 Athenæum 30 May 690/1 The reasons for these changes in coinage, the intentions of those who issued moneys‥are often almost unknown.

References are from the OED. And this link will shows you the relative frequencies of "moneys," "monies," and (to pick a word at random) "chasuble" in printed English between 1750 and 2000. For those who don't care to click through, I can tell you that "chasuble" runs a very distant third at all points.

The fundamental error here is a common one, at least in certain kinds of discourse -- "The way I learned it" on granddad's knee / from the holy nuns at school / etc. "is the traditional way, everything else must be modernist nonsense."

My encounter with the term in government documents referred to money from different funds or budgets. Didn't we all learn language from someone, and didn't that teacher learn from probably another teacher? Language changes continually, especially if the media gets hold of it. Let any combination or hyphenated word show up on one network, and it won't be long until they are all using it. It isn't worth arguing over. I leave that to the archaic forum fussbudgets.

Charles, Scottish-American poster with more than enough money.

Websters says "Monies - amounts of money." It lists moneys and monies as plurals. Apparently, either spelling is allowable.

True, Adam. OED is descriptive of British usage, not necessarily usage in other English speaking countries. Interesting side note. I just read that they may never publish a print version of the next edition of OED because of the success of the electronic version.

I just read that they may never publish a print version of the next edition of OED because of the success of the electronic version.

That would be very foolish of OED, and another example of a company that doesn't understand how the information economy and the luxury economy interact.

Usefulness is not the main reason to buy the OED in print.

Moneys/monies is not a neologism. I've certainly been encountering it for four decades, FWIW, in American and English histories, among other places. Usually in fiscal discussions.

My ad hoc group for TLMs is the St. Dunstan Schola.

The college group I direct is called "The Aureas Manus Chant Group." Originally, the name was supposed to be a translation of "Gold Team", inspired by the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVIg16Q930g

Google Translate gave us the name above, which I'm not sure is entirely correct . . . so thanks to some retroactive historical justification, I tell people that the name means "the Golden Hand", and refers to Guido d'Arezzo's teaching method. (Trust me, we sing Latin better than we translate it . . .)

Shouldn't Hollywood be our ultimate authority, as in "The bells of St. Mary's"?

St Mary, Help of Christians Caecilian Choir

Lovely name that's been around since dirt.