WWYD? To give feedback to the pastor or not to? Terrible “substitute” accompanist
  • SponsaChristi
    Posts: 816
    I’m at a loss of what to do here and I’m not entirely sure with whom the blame lies. It’s also not the first time this has happened.*

    Today our MD/organist/pianist (our pipe organ is down for major repairs and refurbishment, so we’re stuck with the piano for now) was away. In his place was someone whom I think was a choir member. She was practicing before Mass, but it was evident she was struggling. I’m not sure if she just decided to play piano in our MD’s absence, or if he actually asked her to. Her skill level was not where I am accustomed to our MD allowing for Mass, but this also could have been a case of him using poor judgment. Maybe she’s a decent pianist outside of liturgical music and accompanying, but her accompaniment skills aren’t there.

    More specifically:

    She couldn’t keep a steady tempo, nor could she play at the usual tempos, which was particularly frustrating from the congregational side of things. I got so frustrated during the Gloria, that I went into my full resonant voice I use when singing in my chorus or when the organ is played sufficiently loud and full enough that I can blend in, and sang over the piano and the choir (neither of whom were using the same tempo) at the correct consistent tempo to lead the rest of the congregation struggling to sing it with the choir and the accompanist.

    Our recessional was set to Hyfrydol, which our music director always plays at a good tempo with a strong lilting feel to it. That’s how the congregation knows it and sings it. She started her intro confidently, although a bit on the slow side, but as soon as the eighth notes came along, she had to slow them right down and played them choppily and at the same tempo she played the quarter notes, but she still played the wrong notes. Furthermore, she kept stopping mid phrase at the bar lines, which made it extremely difficult and frustrating to try to sing.

    Throughout every hymn and ordinary she kept playing wrong notes. She would try to play like our MD does by adding runs and embellishments, expanding on what’s actually written, except she would blow her runs, get caught up on her embellishments and get further out of time with the choir and the cellist (I felt bad for him trying to play and keep time with her). There were times when they’d all be on different bars. Furthermore, I’m fairly confident the accompanist and the choir were each playing and singing in parallel keys at times. At one point it sounded more like the accompanist was playing something jazzy, if any of you are familiar with Hymn to Freedom, it had that jazzy sound to it, except that it wasn’t a jazzy piece of music.

    The Agnus Dei, I wasn’t even sure we were going to have one. They were well into the the Sign of Peace before the first attempt to start it. It took the accompanist three attempts to start it, but she kept playing the completely wrong notes. I didn’t even recognize it. Even once they did manage to get it started, it was still off by almost an entire bar.

    All in all it felt like there was a complete lack of preparation, lack of good judgment, lack of leadership, and lack of everything that’s expected of sacred music and the role of the choir in the Church’s liturgies based on Sacrosanctum Concilium , Musicam Sacram , and the CCCB’s Guidelines for Liturgical Music.

    To make matters worse, everyone still gave them a round of applause at the end, so they’re getting positive reinforcement that this sort of thing is acceptable at Mass. It’s not. Maybe they felt guilty that if they didn’t clap, they’d make the choir feel bad. I don’t know, but that’s the problem with giving people a round of applause at Mass.

    I genuinely feel like it would have been better and more fitting to have a low Mass without any music, which I was surprised there wasn’t. Usually there is in the summer when our MD goes on vacation in the summer. He was even the one to say it it better to have a low Mass than to have a poorly sung Mass. That’s why I’m so lost as it whether to say something to our pastor. I’m not sure if this is part of our parish’s “liturgical renewal”, to have music at every Sunday Mass even if it’s of such poor quality that it fails to fulfill its function at Mass.

    It is my utmost hope that once our organ is back up and functioning, my parish can have a genuine renewal of liturgical music according to the mind of the Church and not according to the mind of secular musical performances, starting with properly blessing and re-dedicating our pipe organ back to sacred music and use it as a time (re)educate the those in charge and the choirs and schola on liturgical music, the role of music in the liturgy, that it’s not a performance, clapping is inappropriate.

    Should I say anything? I’m worried about being considered uncharitable because this is the OF, so constructive criticism isn’t welcome. Any other thoughts?

    *It previously happened this past Passion Sunday when an insufficiently skilled choir member took over organ duties when our MD/organist was absent and turned it into an absolute musical disaster. He couldn’t keep a steady tempo, played several wrong notes to the point where entire hymns would derail. At one point during communion, it derailed so badly that they all had to stop and get back on track. I didn’t say anything back then since I assumed the pastor would have brought it up with our MD upon his return.
  • CatholicZ09
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    If things are truly this bad where the accompaniment is severely distracting, I would say something. I would give exact details as you have listed here so that your MD can figure out what the next steps should be.

  • Diapason84
    Posts: 164
    Wait a couple of days and send a short message, in a gentle but otherwise non-emotive tone, and give examples of concerns. Do not editorialize, or wonder aloud about how this substitute arrangement came to be, and be sure to use passive voice (e.g., "Several wrong organ notes were played during this hymn" rather than "John Doe repeatedly played wrong notes."). Why? Because you want to be seen as an impartial reporter of facts, not a complainer, regardless of how frustrating/enraging the matter is. Let the MD handle the rest.
  • SponsaChristi
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    If things are truly this bad where the accompaniment is severely distracting, I would say something. I would give exact details as you have listed here so that your MD can figure out what the next steps should be

    Distracting isn’t really the correct word. I mean it is distracting, but what’s more, it makes it impossible to “actively participate” in the Mass insofar as singing. If the role of the choir is to lead the congregation in one unified voice, how does that work when the accompanist is playing one thing, the choir is singing something else, and the congregation is left trying to figure out what to sing?

    The congregation has no choice to either fight against and rise above the choir and accompanist (who, under normal circumstances is the one who’s leading the choir and the congregation, not merely accompanying), who aren’t unified, or become passive spectators. In hindsight, I suppose one could use it as an opportunity to meditate on why disunity in the church, parish, etc are so terrible, but that isn’t where my mind was going during Mass.

    I’m leaning towards saying something. Wording it in such a way without it sounding like uncharitable hyperbole (it’s not. I’m fairly confident there are recordings of it. There’s at least one lady who sits across the aisle from me who is always video recording the Mass. A lot of parishioners video record the Mass and put parts of it up on Facebook.) is going to be a challenge for me.
  • AbbysmumAbbysmum
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    I tend to lean to the side of being charitable.

    Playing for Mass is an art, and people who don't do it regularly often severely underestimate the amount of work that's required at the beginning. People who do it regularly tend to make it look relatively effortless. Being an accompanist (or collaborative pianist as some seem to call it now days) has really particular skill sets that not everyone who can play will possess.

    IMO, if she is not someone who does this regularly, it was a bad judgement call on the MD to ask them to do it (assuming she was asked). You generally can't just throw someone into that situation and expect good results, especially if operating without adequate rehearsal and supervision. If she just volunteered, unknown to the MD... well, that's another matter entirely and should be addressed by the MD.

    Maybe just ask the MD when they're back how this situation came about. If they asked her, then you can maybe gently point out that she seemed to struggle and wasn't adequately prepared. If she did this unbeknownst to the MD, well, that's an issue outside of what you can do.

    It's a real struggle to find subs. I did three Masses back-to-back-to-back today because we lack accompanists. Maybe the MD is making a decision about having a warm body vs having no music, and is getting direction one way or another from the priest or someone else. Who knows.

    Your original title asks if you should talk to the priest - I would hazard that he is aware of the situation because he was there! :D

    There’s at least one lady who sits across the aisle from me who is always video recording the Mass. A lot of parishioners video record the Mass and put parts of it up on Facebook.) is going to be a challenge for me.


    I am genuinely surprised this is permitted!
  • SponsaChristi
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    I tend to lean to the side of being charitable.

    True charity rejoices in the truth and the truth is it was pretty bad. It’s a far cry from the leadership and competency our MD has been known for in the past. Having been a parish choir and schola member under him at our Latin Mass, this is the type of thing I always feared would happen, but was always assured wouldn’t. We had options of varying degrees of difficulty with the chant, could sing unaccompanied and had sufficient members who could step in to lead in his absence. The English Mass choir doesn’t have that. If they could at least chant the simple English Mass propers, they’d be fine. The congregation could carry the ordinaries unaccompanied. I’m trying not to lose respect for my parish’s MD. He seems to be slipping again.

    Your original title asks if you should talk to the priest - I would hazard that he is aware of the situation because he was there! :D

    No, he wasn’t. Our pastor wasn’t there for that Mass. It was our associate pastor who offered Mass. He was, however, there while she was practicing, so he would have at least had a preview of what was to come.
    I am genuinely surprised this is permitted!

    It’s not. The Diocese has an entire document on the use of cell phones, electronic devices, electronic technology at church. It also prohibits the use of electronic tablets at the ambo (something that I see from time to time). I’m fairly confident that most people don’t know about it. I keep mine on airplane mode during Mass.
  • DrJS
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    In general, as a music director, it is very hard to find good subs in any situation. It's even harder in a Catholic church because the liturgy is complex and sometimes the church won't pay enough for a qualified musician.
    The mistakes you noted are very normal problems for an amateur who doesn't play for the liturgy on a regular basis. While it sounds like her keyboard skills are not sufficient, I don't think an angry letter would help anything here.
    Was your music director away on vacation? Does he work 51 out of 52 weeks in a year? Was he gone for a personal reason like a family funeral? One bad Sunday is not too high a price for having a good music director on a regular basis.
    Try saying this, "We're glad to have you back. We really missed you!"
    If he's a friend, you could let him know that the sub wasn't the best. I know from personal experience that when you get angry complaints about substitutes, it makes you fee like you can't ever take any time off.


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  • TCJ
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    I had a substitute at my parish who did an excellent job for a number of years. The pastor was happy with him, the choir was happy, and the parishioners were as well. One year he subbed and someone complained he didn't do well. I brushed it off because we'd never had a problem before. The next time he subbed, parishioners, choir, and priest complained. He was missing notes, not knowing when to play, off-time, etc. I found out later that he was getting dementia and wasn't remembering things (or people).

    In my case, I was happy that other people chose to tell me about his decline because it was best for us and for him to not have him come anymore.

    You should tell the MD.
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  • SponsaChristi
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    The mistakes you noted are very normal problems for an amateur who doesn't play for the liturgy on a regular basis. While it sounds like her keyboard skills are not sufficient, I don't think an angry letter would help anything here.
    Was your music director away on vacation? Does he work 51 out of 52 weeks in a year? Was he gone for a personal reason like a family funeral? One bad Sunday is not too high a price for having a good music director on a regular basis.
    Try saying this, "We're glad to have you back. We really missed you!"

    I never said anything about an angry letter. I’m not angry. I’m a parishioner who is seeing this turn into a repetitive pattern. This isn’t what the Church envisioned for music in the sacred liturgy. Music at Mass isn’t simply an add on. Its quality matters and when it’s quality comes to the point of detracting from the Mass, failing to fulfill its purpose, becomes a potential scandal to people who may be visiting who thinks this is the status quo, not to mention could be damaging to his professional reputation, someone needs to step up and provide feedback that may not be getting through to the MD because no one likes to say anything negative lest they upset someone.

    I’ve been on the other end of this in another parish volunteer position not music related. You try to get constructive feedback, but everyone loves everything, it’s all fine, when really there are things you could adjust and do better, but no one gives you the opportunity to do so.

    My intention was to provide constructive feedback to the pastor, who wasn’t at that particular Mass, to bring to the attention to the MD (that’s how my pastor does things, not just at the parish level) in case the MD didn’t sanction this substitute (he’s very concerned about his professional reputation as well as the quality of music at Mass), suggest that since the choir isn’t able to fulfill its role effectively during Mass to the point that it’s interfering with the Mass, that perhaps it may be prudent to have low Masses without music until the MD returns.

    Our MD is a creative problem solver, but he needs to know there’s a problem in the first place. We’re not the Church Mediocre. Maybe it’s time to form a schola of stronger singers who can learn to chant the simple English propers eventually unaccompanied, along with other chants of the Church and teach the congregation how to sing the psalm verses of the simple English propers alternating with the schola who can fill in in the MD’s absence.

    Of course we’re always grateful when our MD returns. Mass just isn’t the same without his quality stamp on it. You can tell at Diocesan Masses when he’s overseeing the music because it’s just better than anyone else can do. No one is suggesting getting rid of our MD. Our pastor knows I don’t want to get rid of our MD. I’m not sure how providing constructive feedback to pass on to the MD equals getting a new MD.

    That being said, it’s not acceptable to have substandard music at Mass. He knows this, and wouldn’t approve of what occurred on Sunday. The Church makes this very clear. It doesn’t have to be complicated or ornate, but it does have to suitable for the choir’s capabilities. Furthermore, Canon Law and the Church’s documents are clear that those who are fulfilling ministerial role are sufficiently trained in their duties.
  • Speak with the MD directly. A quick "the sub wasn't very good, and the music for the Mass suffered substantially because of it last Sunday. Just letting you know, in case word hasn't gotten back to you." This is all that is necessary; constructive criticism, assuming the best case.

    Also, singing loudly out of sync with both (poor) accompaniment and choir is just as distracting to those around you as the poor music in the first place.
  • SponsaChristi
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    Also, singing loudly out of sync with both (poor) accompaniment and choir is just as distracting to those around you as the poor music in the first place.


    Maybe, but it got those around me singing together at the same tempo in one unified voice.
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  • PaxMelodious
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    Say a little, in person, to the MD, being charitable and as vague as possible. Liam's phrases above look excellent.

    This is why I hate parishes having only the one regular musician: It removes regular opportunities for other people to develop skills at playing for liturgy.
  • SponsaChristi
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    This is why I hate parishes having only the one regular musician:

    We do have someone else, I’m assuming he was also away this past weekend as it was a long weekend for some people.