Women Cantors EF Divine Office
  • SponsaChristi
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    To think that a woman in a cassock singing a cantor’s duty will somehow cause grave confusion or scandal? Has anyone seen a man in a cassock at Mass and wondered if they’re a minor order or not?

    I’m not suggesting that a woman wear a cassock. I’m suggesting that solemn vespers doesn’t require the schola to enter the sanctuary or, if your church architecture actually has a choir, the choir. All my solemn vespers notes has the priest doing the intonations. I’m fairly confident the FSSP aren’t violating the rubrics.

    And I’m sure I’ll be reprimanded for this: what of gay, trans, non-binary, and intersex Catholics?

    It’s way too early in the morning where I am, and I am still half asleep to hash this out rationally based on policy and church teaching, and it is possible. There are requirements that people in such ministries are at the bare minimum required to be living their life in accordance with Catholic moral teaching. I know that pastors can handle this on a case by case basis, but there is a legitimate issue of managing potential scandal.

    There’s no issue with someone who has SSA who is living in accordance with Church teaching. Intersex doesn’t fall under the same bracket, as it’s a medical matter. It would likely become an impediment if the person wanted to be ordained since there’s the matter required for a valid ordination.
  • tomjaw
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    I’m not suggesting that a woman wear a cassock. I’m suggesting that solemn vespers doesn’t require the schola to enter the sanctuary or, if your church architecture actually has a choir, the choir. All my solemn vespers notes has the priest doing the intonations...


    If the cantors are not in choir (on the sanctuary) it is no longer Solemn Vespers...
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  • It’s interesting that the discussion went from having women fill men’s liturgical roles to having transsexuals fill the roles. It’s as if the dismantling of functional distinctions between the sexes leads inevitably to deeper sexual confusion.
  • MatthewRoth
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    Yeah. Our organist and the organ are a combo that means that we have coped assistants but I’m not in the choir. This is a problem but only solvable in the long term. tomjaw is completely right that my situation means that we have Vespers that are deprived of something.
  • Liam
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    Not being personally experienced or conversant in preconciliar Vespers ritual, I asked Google AI a question and y'all can decide how accurate it is or not:

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  • SponsaChristi
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    If the cantors are not in choir (on the sanctuary) it is no longer Solemn Vespers...


    That’s not what determines what makes vespers solemn or not.

  • chonakchonak
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