• Palestrina
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    I’ve seen various editions of Tenebrae over the years, ranging from extracts from the Liber to newly typeset scores…

    Has anyone typeset all verses of all the psalms in their own edition?

    Pointing is frankly… pointless… with choirs that don’t sing the office routinely!
  • MatthewRoth
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    I strongly disagree that pointing is useless. I also think that you should have pointing as in the Liber or no pointing at all. Other systems are idiosyncratic and useless to people who understand chant (from the Liber), and we should know how to use actual books if we ever do find ourselves with usable books instead of more convenient abridged editions or excerpts.

    My experience is that you wind up with very syllabic and wooden psalmody if you typeset all of the verses punctum by punctum, syllable by syllable as is possible with the Psalm Tone Tool on Ben Bloomfield’s website.

    Also, printing every note for the psalms would just be a massive book, and my edition on letter paper with pointed psalms in two columns already runs to over eighty pages. I don’t even have an English translation paired with the Latin. So if money is no object, do what you want, but something’s gotta give.

    Plus, since a significant number of psalms are paired with mode 8 antiphons, then I hope that they can handle pointing. There is no substitute for a more common problem for those without much experience of the sung office: moving through the modes rapidly. Tenebrae is gentler than Vespers of feasts from the Middle Ages that go 1-2-3-4-5 in short order, but it still has its moments…
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  • Palestrina
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    No need for an essay, Matthew. If you like pointing and are happy to use it, go for it.

    I’m after something that doesn’t use it for Tenebrae.

    I’d just leave here that I know of a very important cathedral with an outstanding music program that no longer bothers with pointing and provides notation in full for its singers. Clearly the DoM wants to use rehearsal time for better things than teaching singers when to go up and down.

    Would be grateful if any other members of the forum with experience in providing this kind of resource could chime in.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    No need for your editorial comments on a public forum then!

    That’s all well and good, but if learning to sing the psalms is not worth doing, and if they can’t learn to do it, then what are we even doing?
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  • GerardH
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    @Palestrina, I've collected quite a few Tenebrae resources over the years (sadly with no need for them yet); not one has psalms fully notated as you describe.

    However, Benjamin Bloomfield's psalm tone tool should accomplish what you need fairly easily. The same page has a link to download a ZIP of all psalms in all tones.

    See attached a quick and dirty Psalm 68 to tone 8c - first psalm for Maundy Thursday.
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  • Palestrina
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    Thanks, GerardH. I was aware of the Bloomfield propers project - but was really asking whether anyone else had done this yet in their own parish context.

    I have witnessed, too many times, the absurdity of a group of singers making an absolute hash of the psalms because they are lucky if they sing to pointed editions once or twice a year. It is neither musical nor edifying.
  • Is this the sort of thing you had in mind? Here is Matins for Maundy Thursday - I can give you the rest of Tenebrae if this is what you're after.

    Maundy_Thursday_Matins.pdf
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  • AnimaVocis
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    (a bit off topic from what is being asked here, but on the topic of pointing....)

    I've found, with my choirs, that when everything is notated, the singers have a tendency to get bigger down by all the notes, whether they are trying to or not.

    It wasn't hard teaching them pointing techniques in both English and Latin chant, and, as the music almost completely gives way to the text, it helps them to understand that text is king.

    Ideally, you should be able to give a choir notated psalms or pointed psalms, and they should feel comfortable both ways.
  • Palestrina
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    Thank you so much, Gregory - that's EXACTLY the kind of thing I'm looking for... Ideally with everything that is sung by anyone notated in full.

    It's Tenebrae of Easter Saturday that I really need. The rest is impractical if sung as an anticipated office in the context of the post-1954 Triduum.

    AnimaVocis - The key, as you say, is 'ideally'. I can agree with that. Alas reality and ideals are often as far apart as chalk and cheese.

    Apropos of singers getting 'bogged down by the notes', it might be possible to create an edition with an open white note as a reciting tone one day.
  • Good! Here are Matins and Lauds for Easter Saturday. Just one warning - these have not been battle tested, so there may be mistakes. We were going to sing them one year, but "political " considerations cancelled Tenebrae.

    Holy_Saturday_Matins.pdf
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    Holy_Saturday_Lauds.pdf
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  • Palestrina
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    Thanks so much, Gregory - You've saved me hours!

    I'm sorry that you were never able to road test your editions - It's unfortunate that most people have NO idea how much hard work goes into preparing clear editions... and that these are often the difference between success and failure.