Thanks! I found Masses 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, and 17.
Follow up question...does anyone have a recommendation for a hymnal for a TLM community? I would like something that has the Gregorian Masses (1, 8, 9, 11, 17 are the ones we use most often), a good selection of hymns, and a SATB choir hymnal.

What about Noel Jones’ Catholic Book of Hymns and Chants?
https://sacredmusiclibrary.com/hymnal

(SSPX) Pius X Hymnal

IIRC, it's good to take the pitch down by a full step unless that's been fixed in the last few years.

Does anyone use the St. Edmund Campion Missal and Hymnal?

Page 22 of this doc https://totus-integrus.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/TXJUHLAYOSKC7NTZ3JED6QLFZJK36ZO9ANVHVPD52HK1OVP7/original indicates that A Catholic Book of Hymns and Chantscontains Gregorian masses 1, 2, 8, 9, 11, 16, 17, and 18

@OMagnumMysterium - are the hymns SATB?

A bit of background - The TLM moved from the church where I work to a different church building 15 minutes away. This is all in the same church cluster basically. All of the parishes in the cluster use breaking bread missalettes, and at the new church there are no choir hymnals for my TLM choir to use. I don't have enough hymnals (we were using Choral Praise because the texts match Breaking bread) from the first church to bring them over to the second church, so I figured it would be a good time to start over with something decent. I'm getting bored with choosing hymns from breaking bread for the Latin Mass (options are limited and the texts are weird), and I'd also like to avoid printing stuff out every week.

You have given me many good options to consider! My ideal is a hymnal with an SATB choir book option that also contains the Latin chant Ordinaries. I am intrigued by the St. Edmund Campion Missal because it contains the Sunday propers, but that's not a necessity since I already have those printed and they are available for parishioners to pick up on their way into Mass if they are interested. I currently have no resources available for the congregation to sing the Ordinary (some sing from memory).

The Catholic Hymn Book, Gracewing I presume it is still available. We have the 'The Parish Hymn Book', edited by John Rush and published by L J Cary Ltd, although we only use it a few times a year.

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Does anyone use the St. Edmund Campion Missal and Hymnal?

We do. You can't get it anymore new as the author has moved to a separate missal/hymnal model.

As a missal, it's beautiful; as a hymnal, less so. Issues:
Not a huge selection of hymns.
Choice of hymn texts is idiosyncratic. I don't care if you have a personal devotion to the English Martyrs; Robert Southwell doesn't sing well.
Melody line only, and AFAIK no choral supplement.

We make it work because it's what we have. It's easier because we only do one English hymn per day, split between processional and recessional.

The St. John Brebuef Hymnal is fantastic. Four part harmony, wonderful arrangements. https://www.ccwatershed.org/hymn/

Recently I published a new hymnal entitled Fleur de lys. Attached are the TOC with some sample pages and photos.

The wonderful thing about this hymnal is that it is completely customizable. You can add, delete and revise it in any way you desire. The first printing was a cloth cover hard bound edition. (see photos attached)

It is also very light. (Probably the lightest hymnal on the market.) Some hymnals are very heavy to hold which can be a burden to some people.

This is strictly a hymnal. There are no missal contents (prayers, readings, etc.)

Depending upon requested revisions, I can deliver a custom hymnal in a few weeks time.

Francis - do you have an SATB edition as well?

I am willing to make a choir edition. If I did, I would probably employ my hybrid notation for the organist for the Kyriale using the NOH modal accomps.

Example of Hybrid here:

https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/uploads/FileUpload/12/96daab6fd8a7f0542a8be4e5e31a9f.pdf

I would probably also make the notation more exact by using the correct protocol for lining up vowels with neumes (as this example is not quite correct).

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https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/19262/fleur-de-lys-hymnal-by-koerber-now-available#Item_63

Francis, I definitely think your examples (especially the second one) would be much easier for me to play than the original NOH. If I ever have to put together a chant accompaniment, I might try something similar (although the software that I am accustomed to would make it a bit difficult). Admittedly, I am a very amateur organist, and often more comfortable with the square notes than the oval (even for organ), which I know is not a feeling shared by everyone.

Since you asked, here are my thoughts on chant engravings, and related issues (and I know I'm an extremist in many regards).

- Gregorio produces the cleanest and nicest scores, so it should be used (in LaTeX for better formatting options), despite the extra time it may take.
- Ornate initials and decorative title fonts should be used (tastefully), since it is very fitting to ornament the things used for Mass (such as our Altars), especially books and papers which will be reused year after year.
- Only the first letter of each score should be capitalized (counting a drop cap), not the whole first syllable.
- Æ, æ, Œ, and œ should be used instead of two separate letters, J not I should be used for the consonant, except in one word which starts with an A, which I dare not type since it is Septuagesima now.
- The little dots should be used in the appropriate words, like Israël.
- Accents should be marked on words of three or more syllables.
- The 1908 Vatican Edition should be used without the Solesmes Rhythmic signs. People should follow the rhythm indicated by the bar-lines, qualisma, and melismatic mora vocis (or however it's spelled).
- Music books (at least the ones for the choir) should not include English translations. All Catholics, but especially the choir, should be taught liturgical Latin so that they can sing intelligently and fruitfully. At each rehearsal, part of the time should be spent singing the text better, and part of the time should be spent understanding the text better. Teaching people Latin does a lot more good in the long run than giving them translations.

Here's an example:

I was not clear in my question about your preferred engraving. I guess I was looking for the best and most accurate engraving from the official books, LU, Gradual, etc. Some musicians are concerned about the Mora Vocis which I believe is completely absent in the online chant tools. All of the chant in Fleur de lys is set using GABC. However, I am wondering if when creating my hybrid notation for the NOH if the chant line should come from one of the official sources and which one?

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OMag...

It all gets very convoluted very quickly... my take on schools of thought is that they can very easily become rabbit holes that 'us experts' can quite quickly and adamantly seem to need to prove and defend. It really comes down to the DM and what s/he decides to employ parish by parish, schola by schola, liturgy by liturgy.

Of course the PRIMARY object of the entire excersize is prayer and the worship of the Almighty, and singing out with joy and praise with fullness and purity of heart... and if you get lost in the weeds, turning eyes and thoughts inward, only looking at the stems and the seeds and then the dirt and the rocks, well then, the whole thing really becomes a very highly developed and intricately woven spectacle that leads only to vanity.

This is NOT to discount the scholarship that goes into such endeavors... but there must be a safeguard to always remember to keep the proper balance between the focus on technique versus just plain loving God with mind, heart, soul and strength.

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