Josquin Des Prez - Ave Regina Caelorum
  • tomjaw
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    Does anyone have the music for this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW_lVjhnYas

    Looking at this again is it by Gaspar van Weerbeke? and the attribution on Youtube wrong?
    We would like to sing this next year as a change from the De la Rue setting.
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    It's no.3 on p.10 in of the Collected Works of Gaspar van Weerbeke, one of the most acclaimed composers of the Josquin generation. So apparently the composer is misattributed on the recording.

    CMM 106, Vol. 4, Motets. Edited by Agnese Pavanello. 1st. ed. 2010. CMM 106–4 978-1-59551-500-1 $98.00

    Fortunately, an edition can be viewed and downloaded here:
    https://verovio.humdrum.org/?k=ey&file=github:Gaspar-Online-Edition/Gaspar-Online-Edition/Gas0403-Ave_regina_celorum.krn

    Attached is the copy I just downloaded.
    Weerbeke-Ave regina coelorum.pdf
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    The only setting actually by Josquin that I know of is the double motet setting "Alma Redemotoris Mater - Ave Regina Coelorum" in which the outer voices sing the Alma Redemptoris text while simultaneously the inner two voices sing the Ave Regina text. This is available at CPDL.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrCQZ2DDUac
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    Just for the fun of it!
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    Tenebrae factae sunt (Weerbeke) - L' Ensemble In Contrà al "Langlais Festival"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhge3Sg1MCU&t=27s
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  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    Cool shirt, but it just wouldn't work in Berkeley! And across the Bay, the Stanford Josquin Project presumes to be on a first name basis with Weerbeke.

    The CPDL Alma Redemptoris/ Ave Regina caelorum by Josquin seems to be a fairly secure attribution.
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    Indeed it is a secure attribution, Richard. In going through the comments on the OP's video, I found a comment about the wrong attribution to Josquin instead of Weerbeke.
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  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    I understood. The NG Weerbeke worklist has rather few conflicting attributions, though it's hard to say whether that's because his name attracted fewer misattributions in his own day or whether he is yet to receive the scrutiny of the giant-killers who have dramatically revised the Josquin & Rembrant canons.

    By the way, besides the Ave Regina in question, Gaspar has a Ave regina celorum, mater in the cycle Quam pulchra es and a Ave regina celorum, ave in the cycle Ave mundi domina.
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  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    By the way, besides the Ave Regina in question, Gaspar has a Ave regina celorum, mater in the cycle Quam pulchra es and a Ave regina celorum, ave in the cycle Ave mundi domina.
    Yep, and I downloaded both of them!!
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  • SirIggle
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    I was not familiar with Weerbeke. Lovely, thanks.
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