Humorous... but Very Very Sad
  • francis
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    Well, the idea is to make the book and sell it en masse to anyone who wants to know the truth about wedding music and how to do it... by The Book. ;-0
  • ClergetKubiszClergetKubisz
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    Perhaps this is for a different thread, but is there anything we can do about the many who are burying their heads in the sand?
  • ClergetKubisz,

    Burying their heads in the sand in what way?

    God bless,

    Chris
  • chonakchonak
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    Isn't it rather nice that the couple wants to make truly appropriate selections?
  • rather nice


    When I was in school, "rather nice" would have been rated as a waste of two words: each one takes up space, but neither says anything.
  • chonakchonak
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    Well, this is the right forum for them, then!

    But I mean them as "something laudable".
  • NihilNominisNihilNominis
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    I write like a confrontational, hostile schizophrenic maniac, so I prefer to meet face-to-face and talk some of the important points through with the couple.
  • JulieCollJulieColl
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    i've always been fascinated by the correlation between one's literary voice and one's actual voice. For instance, the popular GOP front runner, whose name I will not mention, writes far more intelligently and in a much more disciplined way than he speaks, as entertaining as that is. if you had only read his books and had never heard him in person, you'd think he was a low-key philosophical, thoughtful,quasi-academic. conversely, if you had only heard him speak and had never read his books, you,'d think he was a blustering, blundering, arrogant blabber mouth. It's quite intriguing..
  • ClergetKubiszClergetKubisz
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    Burying their heads in the sand in what way?


    Ignoring whatever guidelines or regulations that are put forth in favor of their own interpretation or desires. This happens all the time, especially with music, and we all know it and many of us have seen it. It's like many, including priests, put their fingers in their ears screaming, "la, la, la!" whenever something like a book on appropriate wedding music is presented because they don't want to hear the truth about what they should be doing: they just want their schmaltz and beyond that, music is useless to them.
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  • francis
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    I believe the problem is deeper in that modernism has changed the face of the church to the point that it thinks tradition, doctrine and dogma are "outdated" and are no longer relevant to society.

    A priest recently told me (in relation to sacred music) "I know what the church wants and you know what the church wants but then there is reality, and we have to work with people where they are." This, dear friends in Christ, is poisonous thinking. This is the essence of relativism... "They are not QUITE ready for the fullness of truth, so we have to meet them where they are and take them where they need to go."

    That is plain foolishness. If someone is hanging off a cliff and ready to plunge to their death, you throw them a rope and pull them AWAY from the threat of death. But we have this twisted mentality that we should shimmy down the rope and "hang out" with them in order to appease their mind or comfort them or some other delirious notion that we can do anything to "save" them. Often both fall off the cliff.

    The term for this mentality is childish. But we have lost the sense and responsibility to parent, to guide and steer, to rear the young. Too often the parent is insecure and just wants to be friends with the child and in the process abdicates the most important aspect of parenthood which is raising the child into adulthood.

    The "child within us" has been given this rediculous status where it then dictates the day to day activities that somehow think it must maintain, guard, protect and worse, nurture its "inner child."

    This is why the practice of holding children's liturgies has come about or the children's liturgy of the word. This thinking is what I call the Disney Complex. The evil one wants to blur the line between innocent child and healthy adult because it breeds chaos (one of Adam's favorite words).

    It is time for the church to put away childish ways and see Christ face to face.
  • ClergetKubiszClergetKubisz
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    A priest recently told me (in relation to sacred music) "I know what the church wants and you know what the church wants but then there is reality, and we have to work with people where they are."


    How I have heard that many, many times!! Great observation. I was also once told the following by a priest: "The education level of the congregation isn't high enough to support Latin." What this is dangerously close to saying is: "The congregation is too stupid to understand Latin."
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  • melofluentmelofluent
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    A priest recently told me (in relation to sacred music) "I know what the church wants and you know what the church wants but then there is reality, and we have to work with people where they are."

    I believe that this expressed attitude would be defended by our Holy Pontiff. I know, with few exceptions, that most American bishops would also be in concord with such sentiment.
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  • ClergetKubiszClergetKubisz
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    "Meet them where they are" is fine, but it's the next step that is seldom taken: the congregation doesn't receive any further instruction. We give them hymns in the vernacular because they can't pronounce Latin, but no effort is made to teach them how to pronounce Latin. We eliminate chant in favor of common melodies because the chants are "too elaborate" but no effort is made to teach them how to sing the more "elaborate" melodies. We eliminate chant also because "it's too old/traditional" but we make no effort to teach them why Tradition is important, and that there can be something beautiful and inspiring in that which came before us.
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  • melofluentmelofluent
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    Were I so coarse, I'd finish this: "Do not try to teach a pig...." I do not hold our Faithful in such regard. After reading today's address on Rorate Caeli, we (musicians/"liturgists," are likely barking up the wrong tree by thinking we can redress all of the bullet items Ian listed above. I'll use another famous quote (Billy Joel), "We didn't start the fire...."
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  • francis
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    I believe that this expressed attitude would be defended by our Holy Pontiff. I know, with few exceptions, that most American bishops would also be in concord with such sentiment.
    you are absolutely right, and they are dead wrong