Catholic Hymnals
  • francis
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    Adam Wood 4:24PM
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    Ah. I see.

    They WERE welcome previously, and chose not to take God up on the offer.
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    And Our Lady is, in an indirect way, scolding the Church for not praying for their very souls and says that is reason many of them are going to hell. Hence why she says so often in her warnings and apparitions to pray the rosary.
  • noel jones, aagonoel jones, aago
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    Wise crack? I was !@#$% serious.
  • kenstb
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    Francis,

    Again, your own words controvert the point you are attempting to make. In the Catholic Church, we do baptize infants, who lack the capacity to be faithful. And by definition, those who are baptized are Non Catholics until the water falls on them. It is dangerous to make blanket statements about who is welcome.
  • chonakchonak
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    Also John Paul did not "get rid of the imprimatur." The process of approving books remains, even though the Latin word "imprimatur" no long appears in the Latin Code.

    For that matter, it didn't appear in the 1917 Code either, except in a passage unrelated to permissions to publish books.
  • francis
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    Baptism is the sacrament that MAKES one faithful. So, we are both right on that account.
  • francis
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    We are a sad bunch.
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  • CharlesW
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    Let us build a home where the buffalo roam
    and all can safely live
    built of hope and where we rise from ashes
    where most can't find their ass*s
    All are welcome, ...

    You guys are so hopelessly "old church." LOL
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  • kenstb
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    ???
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  • CharlesW
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    Apparitions, imprimaturs, rosaries, sacraments??? It is clear you folks haven't sung the new church into being yet. Get with the program!

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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    Let us build a house where ev'ry one
    all thinks and talks the same,
    Where if you aren't PC enough
    we scowl and call you names.
    Sure we claim we're so diverse (yeah!)
    for we know that that is right,
    But just look at who shows up to church here:
    We're all old and
    We're all old and
    We're all old and ve-ry white.
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  • francis
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    Amazing Space, How Great Thou Art
    With stars and novas bright
    We journey through the great expanse
    And keep our hatches tight.

    And when we pierce the nebulae
    In awe we gaze the sight
    Avoiding all the big black holes
    That even suck in light.

    And when we finally make the jump
    To wondrous hyperspace
    We'll come out on the other side
    Where we will see his face.

    When we've been there ten thousand parsecs
    We'll sing a Nu Ship for sure!
    With photon bombs and laser blasts
    And life will be no more.

    (this should definitely be considered for Gather 5)
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  • melofluentmelofluent
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    We're all old and ve-ry white.

    Adam, you're in Texas, right? I'm in the San Joaquin Valley of California, where persons of Hispanic/Latino descent are now the Majority.
    The song in question is taken up universally by diverse folks at countless diocesan events without reserve.

    Stop blaming hippie (white) baby boomers as progenitors of all evil. Haugen's heart bleeds, doesn't make him "bad" or "white."
  • kenstb
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    Cute but inaccurate. A parsec is a unit of distance, not time. Adam, that was really funny.
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    The parish I grew up in was quite diverse, by any measure - and that's where I first learned that song. (And liked it, by the way.)

    Since then, the only people I regularly hear sing or suggest it are liberal white boomer women with all the same haircut. It grates on me a little more each time I hear it.
  • noel jones, aagonoel jones, aago
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    So, Adam, just go to a different beauty shop where they don't sing....
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    Well, Little Joe, I thought you were urbane enough to recognize circumstances beyond your immediate confines. Was I wrong?
  • Chris_McAvoyChris_McAvoy
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    Francis,

    Again, your own words controvert the point you are attempting to make. In the Catholic Church, we do baptize infants, who lack the capacity to be faithful. And by definition, those who are baptized are Non Catholics until the water falls on them. It is dangerous to make blanket statements about who is welcome.


    People who repent of their sins are welcome. The sin is not the problem, the failure to acknowledge it and attempt to correct it is what counts. To say sin is good and good is sin is incredulous.

    Apparently according to many hierarchy, the "Church" baptizes infants with parents who flaunt their demonic lifestyle right after the baptism begins and ends also?

    https://www.google.com/#q=catholic+lesbian+baptism
    [Admin note: picture of same-sex couple kissing at baptism deleted. Do not post pictures of grotesqueries on the forum.]



    This Hierarchy of the Catholic Church, these days I have trouble recognizing some of them as Catholic. I am not hopeless in any sense, but it is a tough battle being waged these days. I'd like to think the Pope would be more forceful in encouraging such things to stop occuring, especially when it is publicized on every major news agency in the entire world... Lesbians kissing in front of the statues of the Ever Virgin Mary.... Their child in the past would have been taken away from them like Edgardo Mortara was (I wouldn't have taken Edgardo away though, since he was baptized unintentionally..).

    One thing leads to another!
    [Admin note: Insulting cartoon from an SSPX website deleted. Do not post such material on this forum.]


    Trite, lax theology in Hymnals is the tip of the iceburg, It's a symptom of a much deeper problem.


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  • francis
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    Yes, ken, I know, but I was simply following suit with how Han's used the term.

    http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsglossaryandfaq/a/Star-Wars-Faq_Why-Did-Han-Solo-Say-He-Made-The-Kessel-Run-In-12-Parsecs.htm

    All in all, a parsec apparently can be measured in years also.

    One parsec equals about 3.26 light-years (30.9 trillion kilometres or 19.2 trillion miles). wiki

    So I guess it still maps out with the 10,000 years concept in the original hymn.

    And, I can't imagine singing ANY hymn for 3.26 light-years.
  • CHGiffenCHGiffen
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    All in all, a parsec apparently can be measured in years also.

    Sorry, francis, but that is still wrong ... the Star Wars article you cite does not refer to nor does it attempt to justify parsecs being used as a measure of time. After pointing out that (1) Lucas perhaps got his science & terminology wrong, or (2) that Han Solo was prevaricating when he uttered that bodacious bluff, the article gives a salient possibility (3):

    Namely, Han Solo's making the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs refers to his being able to shorten the usual 18 parsecs distance by navigating very close to black holes in the Maw (a cluster of black holes). Of course, reducing the distance he had to travel by a third would also have reduced the time of the voyage, which isn't mentioned and, thanks to warp speed and other wormhole tricks would have been nowhere near 10,000 years ... or even 1 year, if we are to buy into the Star Wars concepts.

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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    This has now become the most important conversation on Musica Sacra Forum ever.
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    Well, Little Joe, I thought you were urbane enough to recognize circumstances beyond your immediate confines. Was I wrong?


    That doesn't stop me from poking fun at the circumstances wherein I find myself.
    And, from what I can tell, the KJS Hair Salon has a quite a large number of independent franchises.
  • Kathy
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    the only people I regularly hear sing or suggest it are liberal white boomer women with all the same haircut.

    Although this is riotously funny, I challenge you to actually name the places where the past 5 said women asked you to do this.

    Maybe it's geographical, but I have the fortune of never in my life being asked to sing this particular egregious ditty.
  • Kathy
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    Not long ago I was just net surfing and happened upon some discussion or other where people were hotly, angrily, furiously debating how time travel actually works. Not even Solesmes vs. Cardine could match the complete religiosity.

    It was like, "This is what unicorn horns are really made of." Or at least that's what it seemed like.
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  • francis
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    Mr. CHG:

    I know you are a mathematician, so I bow to your final assessment. I have foolishly believed in the Star Wars concepts. Guilty as charged. If this eliminates my being considered for publication, then I certainly had better come up with a better solution. I owe it to the galactic empire.

    NOTE: i just HAVE to use the word parsecs because it sounds so... well... awesome! Also, after reviewing the text a few times, I really felt that light sabres MUST be included in order to remain true to Lucas and the reality of parallel universes- so although the syntax is extremely poor (like a lot of new hymns exhibit) I am including it in the last verse. I am including an attachment that clarifies it's rhythmic and melodic application.

    How's this:

    Amazing Space, How Great Thou Art
    With stars and novas bright
    We journey through the great expanse
    And keep our hatches tight.

    And when we pierce the nebulae
    In awe we gaze the sight
    Avoiding all the big black holes
    That even suck in light.

    And when we finally make the jump
    To wondrous hyperspace
    We'll come out on the other side
    Where we will see his face.

    When we have traversed ten thousand parsecs
    We'll sing a Nu Ship for sure!
    With photon bombs and light sabres and various laser blasters
    And life will be no more.

    I hereandtheretoforever renounce any and all rights as author of this work and most willingingly jetison it into the possession of any other person, entity, corporation, situation, universe, black hole, worm hole or star gate willing to assume responsibility for its existence. If you do assume ownership I humbly beg that it does not find its way into any device of communication; printed, digital or electronic, O God Please Save The Queen.

    NOTHER NOTE: Have also updated avatar.
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    the only people I regularly hear sing or suggest it are liberal white boomer women with all the same haircut.


    Although this is riotously funny, I challenge you to actually name the places where the past 5 said women asked you to do this.


    I work for an Episcopal parish.
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