I plan to use the Simple English Propers throughout this year. Do any of you have thoughts on beginning with a seasonal antiphon versus the proper antiphon for each Mass? I’m wondering whether using the same antiphon for several weeks might help the congregation become more familiar and comfortable with the practice before introducing a different text each Sunday.
Entirely depends on the timing of the liturgical action. If you have time for a verse (or more), then by all means, absolutely sing them. If everyone is just standing there waiting for you to be done with it (as can happen with introits) then just sing the antiphon and be done.In that situation, would the cantor simply sing the antiphon once and stop there, or go straight into a verse?
For communion, just have the choir / cantor sing them. I've experimented with doing simple introits congregationally this last year, and it's a slog. People will do it, but they have to be UBER simple. It's a weird pie-in-the-sky ideal to have the "people" singing the antiphons. It just isn't practical in the slightest.
A decade of daily mass goers chanting every day is not a representative sample of a Sunday congregation. Obviously, with repeated exposure, all things tend to become easier. We have people who sing at our Masses to. But there seems to be this idea that the proper way to restore participation is to have the congregation sing florid antiphons, and that just is never going to happen, save at monasteries. We need to be realistic about what we expect a congregation to do. Meinrad tones every week? Sure. They can do that. Florid antiphons in square note notation? Not so much. I am certainly glad that your congregation is acclimating, but remember it took 10 years and singing antiphons daily by a nice little chunk of the congregation. For a parish just getting started, we need to have a completely different conversation.I disagree a bit here. Yes, the choir/cantor can do these alone, but with time, sometimes a lot, congregations do learn the basic patterns in most of the English chant settings.
So am struggling to see how you can have both the Introit chant AND a hymn - isn't it officially to be one or the other?
In the dioceses of the United States of America there are four options for the Entrance Chant: (1) the antiphon from The Roman Missal or the Psalm from the Roman Gradual as set to music there or in another musical setting; (2) the seasonal antiphon and Psalm of the Simple Gradual; (3) a song from another collection of psalms and antiphons, approved by the Conference of Bishops or the diocesan Bishop, including psalms arranged in responsorial or metrical forms; (4) a suitable liturgical song similarly approved by the Conference of Bishops or the diocesan Bishop.
and that just is never going to happen, save at monasteries
Dubium: A Major Catholic Basilica in America has the following practice: as the priest processes to the altar, they sing an opening hymn. Then, as the Bishop incenses the altar, they sing the Proper Introit in Gregorian chant. Is this practice licit?
Responsum (Feb 14, 2012 at 7:29 AM): Thank you for your question. Why would you think it illicit to sing both a hymn and the antiphon during the entrance, especially at a more solemn liturgy involving the bishop when the procession and the incensation of the altar might require more music to accompany the action? This is, in fact, the practice in many cathedrals, especially at stational masses of the bishop which include the whole presbyterate of a diocese (such as the Chrism Mass or ordinations).
Dubium: What is the proper response to people who point out that the current GIRM does not allow this practice?
Responsum (Feb 14, 2012 at 9:58 AM): To say “the GIRM does not allow for this practice” is a bit of a stretch, because it simply gives several options for what could be sung at the entrance. It does not speak in one way or another about whether one could do both, because it speaks only to the normative practice of an entrance procession that includes priest, deacon, and other assisting ministers, and not a more elaborate entrance procession at a stational mass with the bishop and the presbyterate. The GIRM never speaks to every possible scenario that could take place.
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