Votive Mass of Mary, Star of the Sea
  • Steve CollinsSteve Collins
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    We will have a new priest in a few weeks. He has requested this Votive Mass for his First Mass on a Saturday. It is a Mass that is used by the Seafarers, and I have copies from both the USA and the UK. It is all drawn from the Lectionary, etc. Does anyone know of this Mass from a Latin Graduale resource? We would like the option of using Propers.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    That would almost certainly use the common of the BVM if there is no corresponding Mass in the Missale Romanum that Solesmes or the Vatican could have drawn on (I don't think that they have every single Marian votive Mass). There is a collection of Marian Masses separately collated from the main missal, but like with the missal, the propers in there are for recitation.

    The only other traditional option would be the Immaculate Conception propers: nowadays you can say almost any Marian Mass as a votive Mass, provided that it is a not an event or mystery in her life other than the IC (so you can't use Assumption's propers).
  • RoborgelmeisterRoborgelmeister
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    At least some of the propers here (which it appears that you have) can easily be found in Latin sources (the Introit, for instance).
    https://www.usccb.org/resources/Text-for-Mass-Liturgy-of-the-Hours-THE-BLESSED-VIRGIN-MARY-STAR-OF-THE-SEA.pdf
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  • MatthewRoth
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    well that's just bonkers

    I don't know why we'd be encouraging the use of the Assumption introit that should never have been introduced by Pius XII and borrowing from the Epiphany (more or less.
  • Liam
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    Perhaps because Mary Star of The Sea has the double meaning of a reference to navigator's reliance on signs in the day and night skies?
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  • chonakchonak
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    So the Introit is "Signum magnum" and the Communion is "Vidimus stellam".

    Any suggestions for a gradual, alleluia, or offertory antiphon?

    Incidentally, Michael Olbash wrote a "Mass in honor of Our Lady, Star of the Sea", which we sang some years ago at the Sacred Music Colloquium: A recording is here:
    https://recordings.musicasacra.com/cmaa-recordings/2019-colloquium/
    (see July 2, 2019)

    A score is in the music book for that event (available for download from the same page).
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  • MatthewRoth
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    I understand why, Liam: the problem is that you don’t repurpose unique things from the propers of the Lord of the BVM in the mysteries of their life. (It can go the other way around: Candlemas shares Suscepimus Deus with the 8th Sunday after Pentecost.)

    And in the specific case of Signum magnum, that text and chant have essentially been pushed aside in favor of Gaudeamus. Nevertheless, because optionitis is good and they don’t totally want to admit defeat, Signum magnum is still an option for the feast.
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