The proper chants should be heard at every weekend Mass
  • deo27
    Posts: 22
    Reasons given for omitting the proper chants at Mass:

    1. We don’t have enough time in the Mass.
    2. It is awkward to include the introit/offertory chant with the hymns we already sing.
    3.They are too hard.
    4.The parish musician and/or the choir/cantors don’t know how to read nuemes.
    5. Chant doesn’t fit with our ‘style’ of music.

    A response…

    1. Most of the antiphons are short, comprised of just a few sentences. They can be lengthened by adding psalm verses but it is not required.
    2. There are various ways to accomplish this.
    3. There are chant books of all levels, many available for free. Psalm tones can be used as an alternative to published settings.
    4. Not all proper chant settings are written with neumes.
    5. "The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman Liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services."

    Proper Chant Resources:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/6zunfims8rrzrsd0ky1or/AEds9IGRt_kB-7oegqmQTXw?rlkey=pp3netb6kk1bmlh3xs2wftt16&st=5bkrjkli&dl=0

  • I don't think the fact that chant propers can be made quite short should be a primary selling point.

    It's true they can be brief, especially with something like Fr. Weber's simplified compositions with psalm verses and antiphon repetitions omitted. In those circumstances an entrance or communion chant can be just 20 seconds long. But when done this way they sound insignificant and out of place. They want a fleshed out presence where people can start to understand what's happening musically and meditatively sink into them.

    That doesn't imply that it's all-or-nothing, but marketing and performing them as short strange interludes between much beefier metrical hymn singing is in fact awkward as per Reason 2. Rather a choir should try taking one chant - the communion makes sense to me - and give it a serious choral treatment with psalm verses and repetition, and take the temperature from that. It will help in terms of congruence if the priest also chants his parts of the mass.
  • deo27
    Posts: 22
    Good ideas. Somehow, folks need to be convinced the proper chants are worth the time and effort.
  • NoahLovinsNoahLovins
    Posts: 24
    My only disagreement with the OP is not every weekend Mass, but EVERY Mass
  • ServiamScores
    Posts: 3,275
    One thing that I've mentioned to people is the fact that we would never dare to say that Father could just make prayers up during Mass. There's a big red book on the altar that tells him exactly what to do/say. Same goes for the readings. SallySue doesn't get to just flip open her devotionals and read whatever strikes her mood. It is prescribed.

    And yet: there is a third collection of texts that is also prescribed—the propers. And we ignore them as though they aren't as integral as the other two (and as though the GIRM doesn't directly recommend their use as option i).

    Most people have no idea what the propers are or that they even exist. Chant is a nebulous thing that "used to be" sung at church. They don't realize that the texts are (even in the novus ordo!) just as prescribed as the other two.

    I think that there is room for the propers to exist alongside other music (notably, hymns). But they certainly shouldn't be ignored. We sing an entrance hymn and then chant the Fr. Weber introit after the priest gets to the altar. We start every communion with the antiphon and some verses, and then add a motet if the choir is there, and finally end that time with a hymn which may or may not be sung in its entirety. But the propers are not ignored. (Increasingly, I include offertorios as well; just depends on the timing of things.)
  • deo27
    Posts: 22
    ServiamScores,
    Did you get the procession to slow down or do you have a long nave? At my last parish, the nave is very short so we did the proper before the hymn. The bell was rung so people were quiet and listened. It wasn’t ideal but also prevented having the priest stand there awkwardly. It would have been nice to do the hymn BEFORE the entrance procession but that seemed like that would be too difficult to get people used to.
  • 32ContraBombarde32ContraBombarde
    Posts: 152
    There does at least seem to be a notable resurgence in interest and use of proper antiphons in recent years. Between 1970 and, well, maybe a decade ago, propers were practically nonexistent in ordinary parish NO Masses in my experience. Now it seems much more common. So that's progress.

    Like @ServiamScores, I'm in the "choose all" camp (i.e. propers, hymns, motets, and organ all have a place). For our principal Mass of Sunday, which always includes full use of incense, we sing a hymn first at the procession (often just one verse), then the entrance antiphon (usually English from Source & Summit, special occasions might get the full GR introit in Latin) with verses as needed. At the Offertory, I chant the Offertorio from the GR in Latin (myself now, but I'm developing a schola slowly but surely), followed by a hymn. At Communion, we start with the English antiphon and usually 3 verses, followed by a motet or hymn, usually concluding with 2-3 minutes of organ improv during ablutions. And, with a few exceptions for certain feast days, we always conclude Mass with the seasonal Marian antiphon in place of a recessional hymn.

    Truth be told, at some point I'll likely nix the entrance hymn in favor of focusing more on the antiphons. But one step at a time. At least we've moved well away from the standard-fare four-hymn-sandwich!
  • tandrews
    Posts: 233
    the proper chants are worth the time and effort.


    The Rice gradual requires almost NO effort (3-5 notes), and they take 10 seconds. They are a good start for a parish that may be chant-averse or chant-ambivalent. I stressed in our parish newsletter that the propers would not take away our precious hymn-singing. No complaints on that front.

    The actual complaining comes from the usual crowd, when the choir's two lengthy anthems replace the offertory and communion hymns, leaving the congregation with just an opening and closing hymn ("but muh sandwich!").
  • Liam
    Posts: 5,610
    My approach would not be the all or nothing approach, nor does the GIRM take that approach. Rather, it would seem the GIRM offers choices at least in part for the process of discernment over time. Any licit choice that the PIPs in regular parishes have been deprived of (forever or a long time since, as it were), hasn't been properly discerned out of proper consideration. Prudence and wisdom, enthusiasm and skill, tact and humility - all needed.
  • ServiamScores
    Posts: 3,275
    deo27: It's depended on the parish.

    My last parish was very "liturgical", so we always had incense, so the introit was chanted during the incensation of the altar. If need be, the priest waited a verse or two before processing in.

    At the cathedral, it slightly depends on which priest is celebrant, but in general, they wait one or two verses before processing in. One priest goes in right away, but he has stated explicitly that he doesn't mind standing at the altar during the introit. We have simply normalized it that there is always a hymn and then introit, even if people are just standing listening for a moment.

    Depending on the season, I sometimes give simplified introits directly to the people, so they sing the antiphons as well. I've been using the entrance antiphon hymn texts from antiphonrenewal.com, so it creates a really nice synergy when we sing a metrical hymn version, and then things somber-up a little and they sing the chant equivalent which is a more direct setting of the text. Then the two actions reinforce each other.

    As for before, four parishes ago that is exactly what we did. We told people to stand, then I chanted the introit, and then the hymn began business as usual. It can work just fine (that was a tiny church).

    All that is really necessary is will/support from the priest, and a little catechesis. Tell the parish outright that the antiphons will be chanted, and why. Practical matters on your end can determine whether or not it is before or after. Both work. Just tell people, normalize it, and they will come to expect it.
  • ServiamScores
    Posts: 3,275
    Like @ServiamScores, I'm in the "choose all" camp (i.e. propers, hymns, motets, and organ all have a place). For our principal Mass of Sunday, which always includes full use of incense, we sing a hymn first at the procession (often just one verse), then the entrance antiphon (usually English from Source & Summit, special occasions might get the full GR introit in Latin) with verses as needed. At the Offertory, I chant the Offertorio from the GR in Latin (myself now, but I'm developing a schola slowly but surely), followed by a hymn. At Communion, we start with the English antiphon and usually 3 verses, followed by a motet or hymn, usually concluding with 2-3 minutes of organ improv during ablutions. And, with a few exceptions for certain feast days, we always conclude Mass with the seasonal Marian antiphon in place of a recessional hymn.


    We are broadly similar, but with slight seasonal variations. During Lent this year we only did introits, no entrance hymn. High feast days I'll pepper in latin antiphons. During Eastertide I've normalized singing the Regina Caeli every week to begin the offertory, and then transition to something else. We generally still have all four hymns, but there have been serious discussions about restoring the leonine prayers and simply doing the marian antiphon and an organ recessional at the end of Mass. We'll see.

    Regardless, in four different parishes now, I've discovered that propers can coexist quite happily alongside hymns. I think one of the reasons I've had success is simply because I added them without taking things away. It's trivial to add a 30 second introit before or after the hymn. It's an absolute no-brainer to sing the communion antiphon—even in the vernacular. That is suuuuuuper low hanging fruit. I firmly believe Fr. Weber is the answer here. (yes, yes, I know... missal vs. GR antiphons...) but really, it's the perfect solution for vernacular-only parishes. There are gradations of difficulty, and some of the harder ones imitate the originals very nicely. I think every parish should introduce his communios, if nothing else.
  • Paolo
    Posts: 19
    Proper Chant Resources:

    I am struck by the abundance of modern sacred music and by its organization and systematic nature for the liturgy in English. There is nothing similar in Italian and I fear not even in Latin, apart from historical texts, mostly only in Gregorian.
  • Ralph BednarzRalph Bednarz
    Posts: 499
    Grew up with only propers or nothing; hymns only during stations, May crowning and benediction vespers. Foreshadowing VCII the Latin dialogue Low Mass began using 4 hymns. Even as an 8 yr old I found the regular metered tempo cringey at Mass. I liked Low Mass better with silence- you could always enjoy the daily air raid sirens from the missile site across the meadow.

    I would not be afraid of using introits alone or the communion alone, even if they too brief: because silence is always appropriate.
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  • SponsaChristi
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    With the exception of funerals, I don’t think it is ideal to completely remove hymns from Mass. If there’s one Mass that should have the full propers sung, in Latin, from the Graduale Romanum. I’ve never been to a funeral where the congregation actually sings, and I’ve been to a lot of funerals in a lot of different places in the last 40 years. I was just listening to the requiem propers on my drive to work yesterday morning and became even more convinced they need to make a regular comeback. I find Catholic English Mass funerals to be too much of an escapism from death, dying, etc. I think we need to learn how to mourn again at funerals.

    I think it’s ideal to still start and finish with a strong traditional hymns at Mass on Sundays, as it has become the custom, and singing is just plain good for the soul when it’s something worth singing.

    I do think that we need to bring back the propers, especially the full Latin Introit for Lætare Sunday. I feel like it just needs to be there. It’s just not the same.
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