Tenebrae booklets (bilingual Latin-English pre-55)
  • MatthewRoth
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    These are for Tenebrae, in the ancient rite, on American letter paper. It's sort of the ideal paper document for me, which I had hitherto not had before me or found elsewhere. (The more the merrier, I think.)

    For Thursday, I have also taken out for someone else the chant responsories of the II and III nocturns so that the Victoria settings could be sung. One could (and I can do it for you) do the same for the Miserere for example.

    Please let me know if I've mucked something up made a mistake. Even with multiple eyes on it, I still can't catch 'em all apparently.
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  • GerardH
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    These are beautifully done. On p.41 of Maundy Thursday, you have the first verse of the Benedictus notated twice. Haven’t checked the others
  • MatthewRoth
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    Oops thank you I will check that out.
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    Not sure why English is sometimes right column.
  • MatthewRoth
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    Because that’s how it works, and the LaTeX package for typesetting parallel columns allows for this.

    People don’t do it that way, probably because they use an inflexible word processor (and its mindset), but the hand missals always flip columns because the optical illusion keeps your eye in the same column without breaking it: you go from one interior column to the next or exterior to exterior and then back.

    It might get weird at Vespers when the psalms are so short and interrupted by the repeated antiphon, or when I only have one psalm here and there across a book-length document, but on Friday at Tenebrae, when we have ps 113 (so, weekly, just about),
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  • NoahLovinsNoahLovins
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    Excellent work! Is there a version without the Solesmes rhythmic signs?
  • MatthewRoth
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    No, although I intend at some point to make the code available and then people can compile (first with the feature to turn them off, then to make adjustments with /! as needed in gabc)

    That said: in your case, would consider using a a melodic restitution anyway because the OG version is Solesmes; I am a bit curious as to what the Monastère Saint-Benoît version is, because they published a nocturnale without signs. Matthias Bry hasn’t finished the Roman version, and the monastic one would be a long way down the long (I say the more the merrier: the Solesmes family probably will want a more Cardinian book). But anyway, I am attached to the Mocquereau melody and its signs so none of that bothers me too much, it’s just out there if you are more interested in it.
  • NoahLovinsNoahLovins
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    Who out there has restituted the melodies? And from what mauscripts do they appear?
  • MatthewRoth
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    Well Matthias is certainly working on the responsories following on Dominique Crochu.
  • GerardH
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    FWIW, the 2005 Antiphonale Monasticum I antiphon melodies for Lauds differ in several spots from those Matthew has published here. Whether that is a Roman vs Monastic difference I do not know. Rhythmic signs are omitted.
  • MatthewRoth
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    That’s in part because of Dom Gajard and then Dom Saulnier, but the Benedictines having their own version of chant in the preconciliar office of Tenebrae is a bit odd. They always used the Roman office that day.
  • liampmcdonough
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    Putting together our own tenebrae service this year, just Maundy Thursday evening for Good Friday. Is there a tradition for which gregorian tones are used or can any be chosen?
  • GerardH
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    The question is sightly confusing; I assume you're referring to the psalm tones? These are defined by the mode of the corresponding antiphon - if the antiphon is labelled 8g, you sing the psalm to tone 8g.
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    Has anyone here sung the Lessons of the 2nd or 3rd Nocturns? I was just looking at Laudes festivae and, fantasizing about Gesualdo Responsories with sung Lessons, started to play with Gregorio:
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    From(e) the(f) treatise(hr) of() Saint() Augustine() the(h) bish(i)op(f) on(e) the(f) Psalms.(gf..) (:)
    "Hear,(cef) O(e) God,(fh) my(h) prayer,(f) (,) and(hr) despise() not() my() sup(g)pli(f)ca(gh)tion:(g)(;) be(e) at(gh)ten(f)tive(f) to(f) me(e) and(f) hear(g) me."(f) (:)
    These(c) are(ef) the(g) words(fh) of(h) a(hr) man() in() trouble,() sol(h)li(i)ci(f)tude,(f) and(e) af(f)flic(g)tion.(f) (:) He(e) prays(f) in(h) his(h) great(h) suf(i)fer(h)ings,(f) de(hr)siring() to() be() freed(h) from(e) some(f) e(g)vil.(f) (:) Let(c) us(e) now(f) see(f) what(e) e(f)vil(g) he(h) lies(i) un(h)der:(g) (;) and(hr) having() told() us,() let() us() acknowledge(hr) our(g)selves(f) in(gh) it;(g) that(e) by(gh) par(fr)taking() of() the(g) af(h)flic(i)tion,(h) we(h) may(h) join(h) in(e) his(f) prayer.(gf) (:)
    I(c) am(e) grieved(fg) in(f) my(f) ex(fh)er(h)cize,(h) says(h) he,(h) (,) and(g) am(f) trou(gh)bled.(g) (:) Where(ef) is(h) he(f) grieved?(hi) (;) Where(ef) is(h) he(f) trou(h)bled?(i) (:) He(h) says:(h) In(e) my(f) ex(g)er(f)cize.(f) (:)
    He(c) speaks(e) of(f) the(f) wick(e)ed(f) men,(g) whom(h) he(i) suf(h)fers,(g) (;) and(e) calls(gh) such(fr) sufferings() of() wicked() men(e) his(f) ex(g)er(f)cize.(f) (:)
    Think(c) not(e) that(fg) the(f) wick(fh)ed(h) are(hr) in() the() world() for() no(i)thing,(f) (;) and(h) that(h) God(h) dœs(e) no(f) good(g) with(f) them.(f) (:)
    Ever(e)y(f) wick(h)ed(h) man() lives,() eith()er() to() amend() his() life() (;) or(e) else(gh) to(f) ex(g)er(h)cize(ih) the(g) good.(f) (::)
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  • OMagnumMysterium
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    I have. I used the tones from Laudes Festivae for the 2nd Nocturn, like what you have above, although I did the Latin. They are very fun to sing. But there's no special tone for the 3rd Nocturn, is there? I could never find any.
  • MatthewRoth
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    We sometimes use alternative tones but on paper I stick to the Solesmes (and in the second and third nocturns) Vatican tones and I get a little stern if warranted: the people can tell when you didn’t practice starting this week basically.
  • OMagnumMysterium
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    Matthew, are any of your alternative tones for the third nocturns? I've used the "Lesson Solemn Tone Ad Libitum" (at least that's what it's called in Bloomfield's Readings Tool) but I still would prefer something more elaborate.
  • MatthewRoth
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    I don’t remember. They use Laudes Festivae, the Mozarabic tone for the Lamentations, the patristic tone for the Augustine… and by the third I think they use the prophecy tone for convenience.
  • tomjaw
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    Festa Majora has this section at the back, with various tones,

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/m5ewukwgyoaszp09ell88/Festa-Majora.pdf?rlkey=pgzncth4pax3fv6yx1ejk9tkt&st=rusabgul&dl=0
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  • MatthewRoth
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    finally got around to fixing things. Thanks for pointing out the doubled first verse of the Benedictus; I forgot that I had to experiment with the typesetting and formatting but if you don't take out the command, of course LaTeX will print it.

    As it happens I had made the TLDV version for someone wishing to do the Victoria. We might next year, but I'm strongly considering doing Lassus as it's much less common but the responsories of Holy Thursday seem manageable (maybe with his fauxbourdon for the Benedictus).
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  • Charles_Weaver
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    The Lassus responsories are superb. I'm attaching my edition of the Thursday responsories, as well as a similar set of anonymous responsories for the first nocturn.

    It seems to me that the Viadana responsories are also good. But we are doing Michael Haydn again this year; they work best for our current forces.
    Anonymous-first nocturn responsories.pdf
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    Lassus responsories.pdf
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  • MatthewRoth
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    Oh thank you because I am not pleased with the CPDL ones.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    oh man

    I got back to my machine where I could download these. They're fantastic editions that do almost everything that I could want,* and the alto line is in octava clef? That's perfect for us; we have a preference for male altos/tenor 1 (sometimes also singing with a woman).

    *I don't know why MS Studio is ahead of Dorico on displaying the mensuration signs in place of the time signature that determines playback, but it is…

    anyway, thank you, thank you, thank you. I think that you've saved me a lot of time over the next year.
  • Charles_Weaver
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    These are my old Sibelius days. I was reading Daniel Spreadbury's blog and trying my best to make it look like the Dorico that was to come. It's so, so much easier now to make legible editions.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    Wow even so. The cost and the really (to me anyway) not clear division of features is a big inhibitor for me, but if and when they figure out mensuration signs I might give Dorico a go again.
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