Do you sing the Mass Ordinary in read Mass?
  • FSSPmusic
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    However, because the 1962 missal lacks rubrics for the people, there is actually nothing to prevent much of the NO goings on in the older form. For example, one can complain about polka masses in the NO. But nothing in the 1962 missal would prevent the people at a spoken mass from singing exactly the same melodies (as long as the translation was not too exact) over the priest’s inaudible said ordinary.
    Are you not familiar with Tra le sollecitudini and De musica sacra et sacra liturgia?
    Sacred music should consequently possess, in the highest degree, the qualities proper to the liturgy, and in particular sanctity and goodness of form, which will spontaneously produce the final quality of universality.

    It must be holy, and must, therefore, exclude all profanity not only in itself, but in the manner in which it is presented by those who execute it.

    It must be true art, for otherwise it will be impossible for it to exercise on the minds of those who listen to it that efficacy which the Church aims at obtaining in admitting into her liturgy the art of musical sounds.

    But it must, at the same time, be universal in the sense that while every nation is permitted to admit into its ecclesiastical compositions those special forms which may be said to constitute its native music, still these forms must be subordinated in such a manner to the general characteristics of sacred music that nobody of any nation may receive an impression other than good on hearing them. (TLS 2)
    The employment of the piano is forbidden in church, as is also that of noisy or frivolous instruments such as drums, cymbals, bells and the like. (TLS 19)
    It is strictly forbidden to have bands play in church. (TLS 20)
    The musical compositions of modern style which are admitted in the Church may contain nothing profane, be free from reminiscences of motifs adopted in the theaters, and be not fashioned even in their external forms after the manner of profane pieces. (TLS 5)
    Among the different kinds of modern music, that which appears less suitable for accompanying the functions of public worship is the theatrical style, which was in the greatest vogue, especially in Italy, during the last century. This of its very nature is diametrically opposed to Gregorian Chant and classic polyphony, and therefore to the most important law of all good sacred music. Besides the intrinsic structure, the rhythm and what is known as the conventionalism of this style adapt themselves but badly to the requirements of true liturgical music. (TLS 6)
    When [modern sacred music] is composed specifically for liturgical use it must be animated by a spirit of devotion, and piety; only on this condition can it be admitted as suitable accompaniment for these services. (DMS 7)
    [At Low Mass:] The faithful can participate another way at the Eucharistic Sacrifice by saying prayers together or by singing hymns. The prayers and hymns must be chosen appropriately for the respective parts of the Mass. (DMS 30)
    Modern compositions of sacred music are only to be used during liturgical ceremonies if they conform to the spirit of the liturgy, and to the ideals of sacred music as laid down in the encyclical Musicæ sacræ disciplina. (DMS 51)
    If hymns are to attain their purpose, their texts “must conform to the doctrine of the Catholic Church, plainly stating, and explaining it. The vocabulary should be simple, and free of dramatic, and meaningless verbiage. Their tunes, however brief, and easy, should evince a religious dignity and propriety”. (DMS 52)
    The type of music which inspires its hearers with religious sentiments, and even devotion, and yet, because of its special character cannot be used in liturgical functions, is nevertheless worthy of high esteem, and ought to be cultivated in its proper time. This music justly merits, therefore, the title “religious music”. The proper places for the performance of such music are concert halls, theaters, or auditoriums, but not the church, which is consecrated to the worship of God. (DMS 54-55)
    Musical instruments which by common acception, and use are suitable only for secular music must be entirely excluded from all liturgical functions, and private devotions. (DMS 70)
    What here suggests the suitability of "polka Mass" songs at Low Mass?
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  • @Chaswjd was not suggesting a Polka Mass was appropriate. He gave an example of a common complaint against a lack of clear refusal on the part of the Mass of Paul VI and John Paul II's rubrics to deny the use of a Polka Mass. He proceeded to provide a counterexample in which the Mass of John XXIII has no provision against the singing of the congregation those parts of the Mass that are to be spoken by the priest in a spoken Mass.
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  • What here suggests the suitability of "polka Mass" songs at Low Mass?

    every nation is permitted to admit into its ecclesiastical compositions those special forms which may be said to constitute its native music,

    The Polka Mass is based entirely on music native to Croatia and Slovenia.
  • FSSPmusic
    Posts: 452
    It must be holy, and must, therefore, exclude all profanity not only in itself, but in the manner in which it is presented by those who execute it... these forms must be subordinated in such a manner to the general characteristics of sacred music that nobody of any nation may receive an impression other than good on hearing them.