Gloria that does not repeat refrain
  • Joanie
    Posts: 5
    Which mass setting Gloria can be used that does not repeat refrain?
  • Liam
    Posts: 5,477
    Most settings of the Gloria don't have refrains; without understanding the context of your question, it would be hard to focus on particular ones. The Gloria as an ancient hymn of the Church has no refrain - its inherent structure does not contemplate a refrain.

    Also, even if Glorias have a refrain, the refrain doesn't have to be repeated after the opening iteration. Indeed, the only good rationalizations for Glorias composed with refrains is that the use of the refrain is primarily for the period of time when a congregation is being familiarized with the Gloria setting, and then can simply be dropped like training wheels after that period.
  • SponsaChristi
    Posts: 614
    The Gloria doesn’t have a refrain. Any traditional chant setting doesn’t employ the use of a refrain. Might I suggest the Ambrosian Gloria? It’s simple and I have actually witnessed Catholics in the pews singing it during Mass.
  • canadashcanadash
    Posts: 1,545
    This is one of my favourites: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pmyY2s3bMQQgZqHOWOfGMlwht-LsmpQx/view?usp=sharing

    Use it with the simple mass setting from ICEL. There is a Gloria included here which is good too. An excellent start for any parish.
    https://archive.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/14/07/12/11-40-30_0.pdf

    I hope this helps.


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  • unknownadversary
    Posts: 14
    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/52422a6fe4b06209130d02bd/t/566dfc5e40667a1cc1793b8b/1450048606207/Mass+of+St+Margaret+July+15th+2013+(1).pdf
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  • Joanie
    Posts: 5
    Thank you for suggestions. Seems this generation of ordained priests knows what they want and don’t want in music at mass.
    Recently told by priest that mass of creation Gloria was banned (not true). So just throwing out there which Gloria other than chant works best!
  • trentonjconn
    Posts: 776
    While it may not be banned, it is certainly time for that Gloria (and the rest of that setting) to be retired...

    The Heritage Mass is a reasonably dignified vernacular metrical setting of the ordinaries which tends to be in hymnals or otherwise readily available.

    Thanks be to God that the younger clergy tend to have better liturgical formation!
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  • CatholicZ09
    Posts: 333
    Joanie,

    Carol Thomas Andrews’ Gloria from A New Mass for Congregations is pretty versatile for both festive seasons/occasions and Ordinary Time.
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  • Joanie
    Posts: 5
    Very nice Gloria. Will have to look into the entire mass parts!
  • davido
    Posts: 1,156
    Mass of St Francis by Buchholz is a great option. Gloria has a section that can be done in harmony by the choir. My congregation sings the heck out of it. It sits in a great range for school children.
    https://adoremus.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/BuchholzMassofStFrancis.pdf
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  • contemporaryworship92
    Posts: 305
    Some options from the legacy publishing companies:

    Mass of Renewal by Curtis Stephan
    https://ocp.org/en-us/collections/dg/24/mass-of-renewal

    Mass of Renewal by by William Gokelman and David Kauffman
    https://www.goodforthesoulmusic.com/mass-of-renewal;
    https://www.ilpmusic.org/category/SAHMoR.html

    Heritage Mass by Owen Alstott
    https://ocp.org/en-us/collections/dg/8/heritage-mass
  • irishtenoririshtenor
    Posts: 1,406
    Of those three you listed, I prefer Heritage by a country mile
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  • tandrews
    Posts: 208
    Carol Thomas Andrews’ Gloria from A New Mass for Congregations is pretty versatile for both festive seasons/occasions and Ordinary Time.


    No relation :(
  • Marc Cerisier
    Posts: 594
    Since we're naming our favorite Glorias now, our English settings currently in use all have through composed Glorias:

    Mass of St. Gregory the Great - Mayernik (OCP)
    Mass in Honor of St. Benedict - LeBlanc (LitPress)
    Mass in Honor of St. Michael - Vogt (LitPress)
    Mass in Honor of St. Ignatius - Weismann (GIA)

    One of our Spanish settings has a through composed Gloria (because I wrote it-ha!):

    Misa de la Inmaculada Concepción - Cerisier (GIA)

    But I have to mention that there are times where a refrain-based Gloria is useful... especially since weddings require a Gloria now, and—in my experience in the south—it is not uncommon to have many non-Catholics at weddings, and—in my experience in cathedrals—it is not uncommon to have many at weddings who might be Catholic, but are not part of the local parish.

    Another category of liturgies where I've used a refrain-based Glorias in the past have been diocese-wide liturgies (Chrism, Installation of a new Bishop, Ordinations, etc...). Like point b above, regardless of the best wishes of many the repertoire often isn't as common as one might hope across a diocese. A favorite of mine in this category is Don Fellows' Festal Gloria (MorningStar).

    I can also testify that refrain-based Glorias are fully legal, as I just had a newly composed one (in Spanish) approved by the USCCB last week for use in Mass.
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