Lourdes hymn, French refrain rhythm, "hearts on fire" text
  • FrSamuelKeyes
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    I've searched through the archives but haven't found this exact thing. Does anyone have a good copy (for congregational/choir use) of the Lourdes hymn in English that (1) follows the traditional French rhythm for the Aves in the refrain, (2) uses the fuller "Immaculate Mary, our hearts are on fire" text rather than "Immaculate Mary, thy praises we sing."

    Possibly I can get someone to put this together for me but I find it hard to believe that there's really nothing out there. (I know for example that, back in my days as an Episcopalian, they would sing this at the annual Candlemas procession at All Saints, Ashmont, but I don't have any contacts there anymore. I also feel sure that I did find such a copy at one point but now I've lost it.)
  • Liam
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    Perhaps it's not easily found because that versification was by Augustus Tozer who at the same time shifted to the other stresses on the Aves?
  • Don9of11Don9of11
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    @FrSamuelKeyes You can check out my Hymn of the Month. I did a write up on Immaculate Mary with the "hearts on fire" text and different melodies.
    https://www.motherofmercycatholichymns.com/immaculate-mary/
  • FrSamuelKeyes
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    @Liam, that (at last) makes sense to me as to why this particular combination is so hard to find. I guess I'm a bit slow on the uptake, but I had never made that connection, perhaps because it never occurred to me that I would prefer the text of the man whose melodic interventions I so dislike.
  • FrSamuelKeyes
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    @Don9of11 I did see that from some of the previous threads on this forum. The 1897 version with "we come at thy call" may actually be suitable for my purposes.
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  • FSSPmusic
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    See no. 139 in the St. Andrew Hymnal, p. 116 of the PDF:
    https://archive.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/18/08/27/10-22-42_0.pdf#page=116
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  • Joseph Michael
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    In answer to your first question: Theodore Marier's setting of "Immaculate Mary" uses the French Aves in the refrain as found at #193, Hymns, Psalms, and Spiritual Canticles.
  • Liam
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    Yes, but the Marier verses are different from what the OP is asking for.
    hymnal-193-Immaculate Mary.pdf
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  • MatthewRoth
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    Liam, I’m not so sure about that. In England the version that Father describes is normative AFAICT (see this video) and the Scottish hymnal above is the same.
  • a_f_hawkins
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    FSSPmusic has posted what the OP asked for, Marier HP&SC has different words.
    Fr Gainget supplied 120 verses in French, there is an abundance of text to choose from.
    https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6137755t/f1.item.r=Cantique-récit+de+l'apparition.langFR.zoom
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  • FrSamuelKeyes
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    @FSSPmusic thank you! This is perfect. Exactly what I was looking for. Also delightful to have a pdf of the St Andrew Hymnal, which I didn't have before.
  • MatthewRoth
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    The upshot is with the words that correspond to the story you can get away with doing this in addition to the usual text and melody. I think Immaculate Mary with a different Ave refrain and lyrics is a tough sell, but I do the ton royal as it is actually sung (as best I can notate that) so our people can go on pilgrimages and participate. I have the same philosophy here with the hymn, although it’s a hard sell as I note.
  • iMalton
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    The Traditional Roman Hymnal, which I have used at my diocesan TLM, has two different versions of the Lourdes hymn, though I don't think it has the "hearts on fire" lyrics. The key difference, iirc, was the emphases on the Aves in the chorus. I'll try to remember to send a picture of them later.
  • ServiamScores
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    I'm late to the party, but I will simply add that I'm fascinated by the French edition, which is so wildly different from the English (or rather I should say, that the English derivative fell very far from the French tree!). This is not to say that I don't like the English, simply that it doesn't match the French whatsoever.

    In any incarnation, it's a cherished hymn. I've been honored to sing it at both Fatima and Lourdes itself, and it is borderline magical hearing 10,000 people sing it with gusto by candlelight. It would soften the hardest heart.
  • CGM
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    Also, if anyone wants to review, oh, sixty verses or so of the original hymn, Serviam translated it on this forum a few years back.

    I put together a score that includes the six verses in English that Lourdes prints on its multi-lingual materials, plus six more that I versified based on Serviam's translation. DM me if interested.
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  • iMalton
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    Here are the two versions from the first edition of the TRH. The only difference is the chorus and the stresses on the "Aves". Translation is anonymous from a 1897 Parochial Hymn Book, though somewhat altered. How, I don't know.
    1157858775074392.pdf
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    1157903697604443.pdf
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  • Joseph Michael
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    Liam, yes the verses are different. I only pointed out the French Ave accompaniment that is available.
  • ServiamScores
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    I completely forgot I had translated it all. lol. Glad you remembered!
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