So you're going to [re]start a school choir... (advice requested)
  • Here's my situation:

    Without going into too much detail to protect all involved, suffice it to say I'm dealing with a politically sensitive situation. For the last two years, we have had a "school mass choir" which consisted of 3rd and 4th graders. It was spearheaded by a teacher in the school who would meet with them during the week. This teacher picked all the songs for Mass. (I had almost no input; certain powers were seized in the wake of my predecessor's departure and before my arrival.) Now, nearly 2 years into the job and after speaking with the pastor, I decided (as DoSM) to implement a few appropriate changes. The teacher promptly resigned in protest. Because the preexisting system hinged on that teacher's participation, (I merely showed up as accompanist) the existing choir collapsed once they recused themself from directing. This happened only a few days before school started.

    This was an entirely unintended result of my proposal to trim the worst of the excesses away as well as provide a healthier diet of "hymns every child should know" based on the poll I did here & elsewhere, an audit of mainstream hymnals, and also the Pueri Cantores recommended hymns list. (To date they've been fed a diet that consists exclusively of the greatest time-capsule hits from GIA as well as some newer OCP PW songs.) I drew up a written proposal for the changes I was hoping to see and presented it to the pastor and principal. In a deliberate effort to ease the transition, I had formally proposed that all the prelude music would stay the same (ie-PW music picked and conducted solely by that teacher), and was still going to have the teacher pick all the hymnody, albeit from the revised list. There was still going to be a ton of free reign, and the list I collated deliberately included the overwhelming majority of the songs they were already in the habit of singing. As I said, I was attempting to only limit the very worst of the songs and then introduce a few better things in their place (Be Thou My Vision, I Sing the Mighty Power of God, Holy Holy Holy, etc. Very main-stream.) This was all rejected outright, and has upset some people because the optics are that I "abruptly canceled the student choir". This is far from the truth, but I'm now left to pick up the pieces. The whole thing is so sad, because I tried to be so gentle by deliberately retaining the majority of the cherished things, and I wasn't even proposing that I be the one to pick all the music, even though it is my literal job to do so.

    I seem to remember some old adage about a road and good intentions... sigh.

    We now need to restart the group, entirely under my direction. I couldn't get all my ducks in a row mere days before school started, so we still haven't started training yet. (I will also be on leave for a few weeks due to life circumstances.) On the bright side: there is a lot of opportunity to really begin to teach eager singers actual sacred music, and not just happy-clappy schtuff, which appears to have no lasting appeal after about 4th grade. On the less-bright side, my contact with the children will be very minimal. I will get them for about 20-25 minutes, once per week the day before school mass, by taking up some of their lunch/recess hour (perhaps twice if I really forced the issue). And all this would be voluntary on the part of the students. After meeting with the principal, we are thinking about focusing on grades 6-8 (assuming a critical mass of participants) since the younger kids just don't seem ready, and the cohort of older kids all take lunch at the same time. [If there is no such critical mass, then I will have to pivot to grades 3-5, although I would prefer to avoid this based on previous experience.] A friend did propose expanding it down to 4th grade—which I'm open to—but that will require two separate rehearsals each day we have them.

    So the questions:

    • How would you all go about teaching the kids?
    What would you teach them? (I'm thinking of leaning heavily on SJMP chorister stuff for this, but I'm open to other good suggestions.)
    • For people who have worked extensively with students before, what expectations should I realistically hold? (I rather imagine I'll be quite limited in what I can teach them on such a small diet of rehearsal.)
    • What other advice do you have?

    We've been working on the missal chants as a school (Latin last year, English this year) which I want to continue reinforcing. I'd like to teach them some simple latin antiphons like Parce Domine or Attende Domine. I also need to start teaching kids to cantor simple psalms (I have already written them).

    I'm trying really hard to be sensitive about this shift, (and the first few weeks of school masses have overwhelmingly been repertoire they already know) but the powers-that-be in the school simply do not share the vision. To wit: they actively oppose it. Unfortunately for their hurt feelings, this is my literal full-time job and I have to start doing it at some point. My formal proposal was to keep the current structure in place, slowly turning the ship around via structured guidance, but that was apparently out of the question. I really want people to come along for the ride and embrace the vision, which is why I'm seeking advice. While I've been known to charge in to projects, rather ironically, the one time I go out of my way to avoid that approach, it backfires the worst. Laugh or cry, I guess... But now I need help.
  • I have two things to consider before you do anything else:

    * Is there a music teacher floating around there somewhere? This almost certainly should include them.

    At my parish, I pick the music (as DoM) and accompany, and the music teacher (current one fresh out of college) implements it. The principal's orders are to plunk one grade per week (going down to 1st, which, incredibly, has mostly worked) in the choir area, so that's what we do. I started there in 2021, and we had to start over on hymn repertoire, because the kids forgot everything during Covid. Four years (and two music teachers) later, the kids are singing antiphons and a good chunk of traditional stuff, and not doing too badly at it.

    * How close is your leave? If it's relatively soon, tread water a little while and start the process when you get back. You do not want to have to start, then stop, then start again on something like this.
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  • davido
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    Great points from Tim ^^

    Here is how my program works. It is set up this way because we have a prayer partner program pairing up older and younger students who sit together at Mass. This is a BIG DEAL for both the older and younger kids, so having the same kids sitting in choir every week wasn’t practical.

    Until you know most of the kids you may need the music teacher to identify kids with the best voices:
    6-8th graders serve as cantors. Cantors sing together in groups of 2-3, never alone. The only non-congregational thing they do is the intro and verse for the alleluia. Otherwise they just lead the congregational song, singing into the mic. I get to pull the cantors on a weekday morning right after announcements for about 20 minutes. They get a little vocal warmup instruction and a chance to sing through any new service music.

    4-5th graders have the opportunity to be in a “mass choir.” I get mass choir for about 20 minutes between morning announcements and before mass. We run a few verses of each hymn, check Latin Mass parts, practice finding hymn numbers in our books, some vocal and breathing exercises. Mini choir rehearsal. This year I have 4 groups: Girls from 4A, Girls 4B, Girls 5A/B combined, Boys combined 4th/5th. Each group gets a mass about once a month.
    Sometimes will add a 3rd grade choir in the spring towards the end of the school year.

    Rep: 3 hymns, English mass parts (Mass of St Francis by Buchholz, Latin chant Advent and Lent), Marian antiphon as recessional (antiphons were taught by music teacher in class). Same hymns are repeated for 3-4 weeks.

    Cons:
    never get to do choral rep.
    Responsorial Psalm is always read (just not enough practice time, and I tried, really did. Even tried just using mode 8 psalm tone every week. Could never get psalm to a basic, satisfactory level, even with kids that were piano students).

    Pros:
    improves student body singing because other choirs/cantors are in the pews.
    Younger kids are inspired to sing because of older prayer partners.
    Older prayer partners have pressure to sing because of younger prayer partners.
    Lots of kids become comfortable with little routines involved in being a chorister and being in front of people (choir is in front of church)
    More kids are involved than would be in a handpicked choir.
    Younger kids look forward to becoming cantors.
    Kids grow in familiarity with the hymns through repetition.
    No one is losing their lunch break.
    Low stress for me, no pressure to produce rep or have to cut pieces because a kid is sick.
  • AbbysmumAbbysmum
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    Just a thought, because we're in transition right now too at the school so I've been thinking about this a lot recently: Are the classroom teachers able to put on music while the kids work? And if so, can you provide them with a "play list" of the music you want them to learn? That way, they are somewhat familiar with the tune/words when you go to teach them.

    Our school has a "morning song" which is played right after announcements/morning prayer. Right now it's all P&W, but the music teacher has been dovetailing it into Mass music. When I was accompanying for them last week, she reminded them a few times that they heard it as a morning song several times this school year already (we have lots of new kids in our school things year, so the music is new to a sizeable number of them). It helped a lot once she reminded them of that.
  • rvisser
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    After 15 years of school Masses, I have come to the conclusion that it is more important to spend rehearsal time on good settings of the Ordinary over whatever hymns or responsorial psalms you are using. I used to fall into the trap of trying to rehearse lots of choral music with kids, and it was a lot of effort for one piece of music during the liturgy, and I think this skewed the student's understanding of the role of music in the liturgy. If 75% of our rehearsal time is spent on hymns and choral music, and 25% is spent on the Ordinary (and maybe some Propers), does this really teach them the mind of the Church when it comes to sacred music? I don't think so.

    With your limited rehearsal time, mastering a setting of the Ordinary would be a good place to start. Best payoff for rehearsal time, because they will sing it for every Mass. My students know Kyrie XI, Mass VIII, and Mass XVIII, and we switch it up depending on the liturgical calendar. Mass VIII was new to everyone last year. Kids catch on quick. Whatever you choose - Latin, English, chant, whatever, make sure it is good music. Then provide worship aids for the teachers at Mass (especially for Latin chant). It's the teachers that will complain, not the kids ;) Ask me how I know...

    I would skip singing responsorial psalms, or just sing them yourself. The amount of rehearsal time that it takes to do this well just doesn't seem worth it with everything else you have going on (unless you have a few middle schoolers who catch on quickly).

    Personally, I think 4th grade is the absolute sweet spot for youth choirs. Don't underestimate them! I teach K-12, and sincerely love all the grades, but there is a teachability about a group of 9-10 year olds that just isn't there in middle school IF they aren't used to singing good liturgical music.

    At my current school, our "school Masses" are actually on Sundays, with middle schoolers singing. It's awesome and I wish I had come up with this idea before! Monthly school Masses are part of the tuition contract for our school families. Our students go to daily Mass, but any singing is done a cappella from the pews. On feasts we will chant Mass XVIII. Marian antiphon is sung after communion. This week I started adding in communion hymns (we are rotating through Jesus, My Lord, My God, My All, O Jesus We Adore Thee, Adoro te Devote, and hopefully Adoremus in Aeternum), just to give you an idea of what to expect from students. I sit with the first graders at daily Mass, and it just makes my day to hear them singing :)
  • ServiamScores
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    Is there a music teacher floating around there somewhere? This almost certainly should include them.
    There is, but she's only part time and trying to do a normal state curriculum. I did have a chat with her today, and it turns out she is catholic and she's interested in possibly including a few liturgical things. I'll be relatively limited in what I can send her way, but she's willing to do some things in this regard, which is a delightful surprise.

    How close is your leave? If it's relatively soon, tread water a little while and start the process when you get back.
    That's the plan. Wife is set to be induced for #4 next Thursday... (send an ave or two our way, please!). Knowing this was coming was largely why I did not rush to try and establish something the first few weeks of school; it seemed unwise to start something, only to then recuse myself from it for over a month.

    The principal's orders are to plunk one grade per week (going down to 1st, which, incredibly, has mostly worked) in the choir area, so that's what we do.
    This is a completely different approach to anything I had considered previously, but there's a certain genius in it... you'd be able to inculcate the idea that we are all responsible for liturgy, and for participating and singing, in the entire school, which I'm sure pays dividends even when the kids aren't up leading the music. I'm going to have a think on this. A good think indeed.

    Cantors sing together in groups of 2-3, never alone.
    We used to do this at a previous gig (although we only went up to grade 5) and I'd have 4 "cantors" and between the four of them, they often made half of one normal person's sound. I think they were just too little.

    partner program pairing up older and younger students who sit together at Mass
    we have this too. I do wonder if I end up going down to 4th or 5th grade whether or not I should establish a similar buddy system just for the choir itself.

    Marian antiphon as recessional
    I desperately want to do this... we did it at my last parish, and after 2 years of school masses, the entire school (pre-5) could sing the Salve Regina from memory, and it was quite moving. They did it very well, too. I'm going to have to wait on this one at least another year, I think.

    Are the classroom teachers able to put on music while the kids work? And if so, can you provide them with a "play list" of the music you want them to learn? That way, they are somewhat familiar with the tune/words when you go to teach them.
    I've debated this. I'm not sure how well it would be received; in all likelihood, it would only be one or two teachers. The teacher who used to direct the choir is very big on music in their classroom (which is why so many people are upset that it appears that I drove this person out) and they have their students sing multiple times per day. Honestly, while they are teaching music I would otherwise tend to avoid, it's outside of mass so it's largely fine, and I think they are doing the entire school a BIG favor by inculcating a culture of singing among the younger students. A few more years of this cycle, the entire school will have gone through this person's classroom, and that will be a real win. They are now coordinating a Monday morning hymn sings after announcements. I'm not touching that with a 10' pole. I say: have at it, and we are all the better for it. I want to avoid appearing to encroach much more upon the school... I kind of want to let that be their territory. Teachers do the school thing, I do the Mass thing... We'll see. But I'll have to tread lightly there, too.

    With your limited rehearsal time, mastering a setting of the Ordinary would be a good place to start.
    This was my thought too.

    I would skip singing responsorial psalms, or just sing them yourself.
    I'm singing them myself at the moment; I composed a whole semester's worth that are essentially a setting of the same basic tonal contour that I made up myself. I'm hoping the older kids will do a better job than the littles did at my last parish... I really do not want to go back to reading the psalms. This is a sore point for the admin (I'm "taking something away from the kids" — as though they have the right to read, esp. when the missal specifically instructs that the psalm should be sung wherever possible. It's very possible with a full-time, professional musician! lol.). In an effort to olive branch the shift from student-read to [hopefully] student sung, I offered. 1.) the psalms could still be read by students for all of Advent & Lent, 2.) to work with student cantors, & 3.) if necessary, we could do the hybrid model where only the refrain is sung, but the verses are still read, after which a brief intro is given and the refrain repeated. All of these were rejected... but I feel very strongly about the singing part. For starters: singing is a memory aid. The little kids never remember the response well when it is spoken. But they do better when it's sung, even if everyone isn't singing. We'll see where the dust settles. I will have to experiment based on which kids show up.

    we are rotating through...
    I've thought about doing this too. There are a few eucharistic hymns that I cannot do away with, but I just introduced Sweet Sacrament this last week. I intend to repeat it very regularly until they know it well. At my previous post, I used to make monthly worship aids with "hymn suites" where we would repeat the same 4 hymns every 3rd week or so, which allowed me to reinforce hymns that were still in recent memory. That idea was shot down here last year. So I have to program each mass as it's own, albeit from their core repertory. I'm trying really hard to be respectful of what they've already been taught, and not just change everything overnight. This includes continuing to schedule a myriad of things I have no interest in teaching the children... but I'm trying to be gentle.

    My problem was, the diet was so nutrient poor, that we were singing things like "Alabaré" 3x a year, but never once singing "Holy God We Praise Thy Name". And when I first got here, it was accompanied to a casio keyboard pumped through a guitar amp, meanwhile we have a literal million-dollar organ. It was pure folly. Just even going organ-only with their current repertoire was a major shock for some. That was one area where I wouldn't (couldn't) budge. But that's also why I spent an entire year completely hands off and merely showing up to accompany as appropriately as I could, even when the repertoire was completely opposed to the organ. I just made the best of it. So we are now into my third school year before I've attempted any more changes.
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