Vespers (preconciliar Roman rite) survey
  • MatthewRoth
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    Colleagues and friends,

    I have worked for a while now on collating materials and preparing them for my schola and congregation, which has led me to a possible future project, for which I need to collect some more information.

    The link is HERE. I can't see who responds, and I can't use your data or use it against you.

    Even if you're in the category of "we don't sing Vespers, but we are interested" or "I sing only at the Colloquium or similar functions", I'd love your responses.
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  • tomjaw
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    We sing Sunday Vespers as a family (with friends), but sing Compline every day. It may be an idea to have a daily option as well as the weekly.

    The booklets we have are made using the chant font Cecilia, which is not an option. I chose Gregorio instead.
  • MatthewRoth
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    yes, that's true (I think that hardly anyone uses the older chant fonts these days, for preconciliar Vespers, since Gregobase and Gregorio have taken over…).

    (I think that I have regularly defined such that it includes weekly-plus.)
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  • Simon
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    We sing a major respond if suitable on all festal occassions and often less festal if one is available in the repertoire with a reflection to the gospel reading of the day. . . We sing every week alternating with a male and female schola.
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    Before putting in time, one should be aware that the linked survey has required questions, but the multiple choice doesn't include "none of the above".
  • MatthewRoth
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    well, since I'm right here, I'd love to know which question you would have preferred to be "none of the above".

    I'm open to feedback on the survey, because it's hard to get these questions right (there are lots of permutations that at the end of the day are not exclusive: some places have Latin proper booklets for the community, but Latin-vernacular for the faithful).

    I'm not sure what question could be "none of the above", based on the criteria of the survey: it's the preconciliar Roman rite. This is not about the Liturgia Horarum or the Ordinariate, the monastic office of any kind, or any religious order usage, pre or post-conciliar. I am not currently asking about the classical Roman psalter, because the 1911 psalter is gonna stick around for a while, and it's what the liturgical law says to do.

    As I said, I'm open to feedback, but the group that I think has actually been the most helpful are the people who sing Vespers or Compline in small numbers (and maybe take breaks or it's very irregular, including at the time of writing, so as of right now) and wish that they could have more people (either in that place and circumstances evolved favorably or if they, the priest/DM, moved).
  • Richard MixRichard Mix
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    I did perhaps misunderstand preconciliar. My chief interest is in the musical treasury, so a pre-1911 Psalter is sometimes combined with post-1632 Hymnal. On St David's Day we refer to the Penpont ms., and for our recent Recollectio Festorum Beatae Mariae Virginis we followed the c. 1510 print, neither of which was among the multiple choices.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    Right. In fact it is always combined that way if you sing from the editio typica. In theory the hymni antiqui are allowed by custom (like at St Peter’s in Rome) or by indult though I think that there is a lot of interest in unringing that bell. The Vatican Commission to include Mocquereau before he resigned put it to the pope or to his delegate, and it failed at that stage. That was a mistake.
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