Advent Weedays Propers
  • Ellie
    Posts: 5
    I have already read old discussions on this topic, but I still couldn't get it.
    1. Is Sunday propers carries over to the weekdays propers like Ordinary Time?
    2. I am still figuring out how to read Graduale Romanum.
    In Graduale Romanum 1974, on page 15, below the Introit of First Sunday Advent,
    it says, Feria 6: Dominus illuminatio mea, 288. Is that mean on Friday of the first week
    of Advent, the Introit is taken from "Dominus..." on page 288?
    2. On page 16, Feria 5: Bonum est confidere, 324 below the chant notation for Gradual.
    I am not sure what it means. On Thursday which part of Mass is taken from Bonum....
    Again, same as on page 18, for Feria 4.
    3. There is Hymn tune introits for Advent by Kathy Pluth and Charles Giffen.
    Is the texts from the Graduale Romanum or Roman Missal?

    Thank you in advance for all who take time to answer these questions.
  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 3,209
    Feria II, III, IV, V, and VI do indeed correspond to Monday through Friday. The church names are the names in Portuguese, the only language to ditch pagan names.

    So yeah, it does assign weekday propers but I don’t think that repeating the Sunday propers is bad per se.

    Your understanding is right as to the introit.

    There is apparently a choice for the gradual or other proper in those two cases.
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  • a_f_hawkins
    Posts: 3,627
    Ellie -yes if you are singing the Latin Propers they carry over the whole week unless something different is shown. As you say the Introit on Feria 6 is Dominus illuminatio mea. Similarly the next page shows a different Gradual for Feria 5, and page 18 a different Communion for Feria 4.
    The hymn tune introits are something quite different, paraphrases in English. See here :-https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/discussion/13293/hymn-tune-introits-an-annual-collection#Item_28 . The easiest way to get answers about those is to send a message to Kathy by clicking on her name in blue at the start of any of her posts.
    Thanked by 2CHGiffen Ellie
  • Ellie
    Posts: 5
    Thank you, MatthewRoth & A_F_hawkins.
    (By the way,I haven't figured out how to thank like CHGiffen did.^^)
    1. So throught the year around including the seasons, you can use Sunday propers during weekdays?(except feast and saints...etc)
    A_F_hawkins, "if you are singing the Latin propers", as opposed to what?
    (My community's Mass is in English.)
    Thanked by 1CHGiffen
  • Charles_Weaver
    Posts: 150
    To answer #1, the Graduale will tell you when this is not the case. For a weekday Mass that’s not a saint’s observance or votive, you just sing the propers listed for the week except where the Graduale tells you to sing something different. The big exception to this is Lent, which since very early in the history of the Rite has had propers for each day.

    Note that during the week, my understanding is that you do not have to sing both the Gradual and Alleluia but can choose one or the other or both depending on your community’s needs.
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  • a_f_hawkins
    Posts: 3,627
    ► "if you are singing the Latin propers", as opposed to what? ◄
    Whatever your local General Instruction of the Roman Missal says, eg :-
    The Entrance
    47. When the people are gathered, and as the Priest enters with the Deacon and
    ministers, the Entrance Chant begins. Its purpose is to open the celebration, foster the
    unity of those who have been gathered, introduce their thoughts to the mystery of the
    liturgical time or festivity, and accompany the procession of the Priest and ministers.
    48. This chant is sung alternately by the choir and the people or similarly by a cantor
    and the people, or entirely by the people, or by the choir alone. In the dioceses of England & Wales the Entrance Chant may be chosen from among the following: the antiphon with its Psalm from the Graduale Romanum or the Graduale Simplex, or another chant that is suited to the sacred action, the day, or the time of year,⁵⁵ and whose text has been approved by the Conference of Bishops of England and Wales.
    If there is no singing at the Entrance, the antiphon given in the Missal is recited either
    by the faithful, or by some of them, or by a reader; otherwise, it is recited by the Priest
    himself, who may even adapt it as an introductory explanation (cf. no. 31)
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  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 3,209
    Note that during the week, my understanding is that you do not have to sing both the Gradual and Alleluia but can choose one or the other or both depending on your community’s needs.


    We do both anyway on the rare occasions that we do the Latin NO, e.g. for a confirmation Mass with one reading, although if it was somehow a Mass of the Advent feria, or of a Lenten weekday not M-W-F, I’d still go ahead and suppress the second chant.
    Thanked by 1Ellie
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