Dear Jeff,

Have you checked the Order of Readings (Ordo lectionum Missæ)? That is the source book from which lectionaries are made.

I haven’t checked in detail, but I suspect the Spanish lectionary you are checking is deviating from the Order of Readings.

Is there not a Spanish language equivalent of the ICEL that would produce an official translation?

I have found other discrepancies between the English and Spanish lectionaries. For example, yesterday, the readings provided in the leaflet worship aid that we get each week were different than the options in the lectionary for the Masses of the Dead (which is where the hispanic lectionary tells you to look for the readings for All Souls -- at least the Mexican edition that we have here). In the English lectionary, there was a section with proper readings for All Souls -- it did not tell me that I had to go to the Masses for the Dead section. And in any event, as I said, the options were different between the two.

There also seems to be at least three different translations of the Spanish lectionary currently in circulation, and I have to say that the Mexican one, which we use most of the time in this country, is particularly bad. Every translation involves a certain amount of interpretation, but there is clearly an ideology behind the interpretation of the Mexican text that at times I think tends towards liberation theology. For example, in one reading from Romans (if memory serves) where the Greek, Latin, and current English all contrast the "flesh" against the "spirit", the Mexican translation contrasts the "egotistical disorder of the world" against the "spirit".

So, all of that to say, if you can unlock the mystery of the Spanish lectionary, more power to you!

Would that I had the leisure to endeavor such a project!

I have noticed that the current Spanish Lecionary (at least the one we use) has some psalms are different entirely than in the English Lectionary. Why this is, I have not the faintest.

Felipe: "... Order of Readings (Ordo lectionum Missæ) ... suspect the Spanish lectionary you are checking is deviating"

Or, perhaps, the English is deviating?

Or, is there a Psalm numbering problem (off by one, typos)?

At the USCCB website, in the Liturgy Newsletters
http://www.usccb.org
(left margin) Church Life and Ministries
(left margin) Liturgy
(left margin) Newsletter
I recall seeing a newsletter item that the USA would use the Mexican Lectionary
and another newsletter item that the USA would create their own Spanish Lectionary.

The critical thing is to locate the Latin Ordo Lectionum Missae (OLM)
and discover whether English or Spanish or both deviate from the OLM, and why.

Sorry to be tardy about updating this Discussion with more recent info.

http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/innews/July2009.pdf
PDF page 2 (paper page 26)

Leccionario
Finally, the Latin Church Bishops adopted a Spanish-language Lectionary, called the
Leccionario, for use in the dioceses of the United States; the vote was 182-1.
Readings in the U.S. Leccionario use the Spanish translation as approved for Mexico,
while the Psalms use the translation approved for Spain. Since both translations have
previously received the Holy See's recognitio, a speedy confirmation is expected
for the Leccionario.

Here are the USCCB Lecturas de Hoy (Daily Readings) which include salmos responsoriales (responsorial psalms) numbered according to the Greek (Septuagint or Vulgate) system.

https://bible.usccb.org/es/readings/calendar

Numbering differences explained: https://insong.org/salmos-responsoriales/numbering-of-salmos

Here are the salmos responsoriales y aclamaciones composed by Tony Moran and Richard Schletty:

https://insong.org/salmos-responsoriales-y-aclamaciones

So for those of us who only speak English, but need to create worship aids for a bilingual Mass which also includes pointing psalms in Spanish for the cantors to sing at the entrance and communion, which translation of the psalms in Spanish would be best to use for an American congregation and is it available online to copy and paste? I take the antiphons from the Missal for Entrance/Communion and can't help but notice that they don't follow the same psalm translation of any Spanish Bible that I can find.

I really wish the USCCB would make the official prayers of the church more readily available in English and Spanish for the purpose of creating worship programs for local use. The readings are posted on the website, but not the antiphons, orations or psalms. I waste so much time re-typesetting everything that is "copy protected" by our Bishops in order to foster "active participation".

@Earl_Grey I personally think the translation of psalms from the Spanish Conference is best as far as a more beautiful translation- however, since the majority of spanish speakers here are from Mexico and the Americas I think the Mexican Lectionary gives a more familiar tone of voice if that is what you are going for. The Argentine Lectionary is also a good in between.

I like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KebJDDloQbc&list=RDKebJDDloQbc&start_radio=1

Hello all. The resources we need do exist. As someone who frequently ran into many of the same issues above, and who could not believe that these important resources are not easily available in digital format, I took it upon myself several months ago to send in some books to a scanning service. I now have in my possession digital (and copy/paste-able) editions of the following:


I. Misal Romano, tercera edición, as published by Liturgical Press in 2018.

——Though I much prefer the arrangement and paginal consistency of Catholic Book Publishing Corp's English and Spanish Roman Missals, I chose to send this one, as the widely available Roman Missal PDF (presumably a preview draft version from ICEL) almost identically matches Liturgical Press' version and I wanted a Misal Romano PDF to actually look like it was a Spanish version of the same book. Also, for the purposes of copy/pasting, LP's offering enjoys a far reduced usage of drop caps, which although beautiful for physical use, cause many seconds of extra work when working digitally.

——I've cleaned up the pagination on the PDF so that the PDF pages match exactly the pages of the physical book that was scanned, and also added a table of contents / PDF bookmarks that function identically to those in the aforementioned English PDF. (Incidentally, I've also fixed up the same English PDF to have correct pagination, if anybody cares and wants that.)


II. Leccionario Edición Hispanoamericana, as published by the Northeast Catholic
Pastoral Center for Hispanics, Inc. in 1982.

——This is the U.S. Leccionario that Fr. Krisman referred to above, containing the translation of the readings from the Biblia Latinoamericana, and more importantly for my/our purposes, the psalms from Spain's Psalter, adapted to Latin American Spanish verb-forms. If you've ever looked at OCP or other publishers' translations and noticed they seemed like Latin American versions of the psalms from Spain, this is why, and this is their source.

——Not to get too into the weeds here, but for everyone's information, the Episcopal Conference of Spain in 2008 published a new translation of the Bible (La Sagrada Biblia) containing a mostly identical, but slightly revised Psalter. So to add even more complexity to this all, some publishers like GIA then began to use this mostly-but-not-completely identical revision of the Spanish Psalter without the Latin American adaptations of the Leccionario Edición Hispanoamericana. Make of that what you will. However, OCP's position (which I agree with) is that since no official directive / approval has been made by the USCCB regarding that updated Psalter, the psalms as printed in the Leccionario Edición Hispanoamericana continue to be licit for use in the US. I also personally think that these texts, with the "singability" & poetry of Spain's psalms but without the European Spanish verb forms, are the most pastorally beneficial ones to continue using in the Liturgy.

——I've made the same pagination / ToC improvements in this PDF as above.


II. Leccionario Edición Hispanoamérica Ferial, as published by Liturgical Press in 1994.

——This is, as its name would suggest, the weekday version of the same Leccionario mentioned above, with the same sources of text. The exact name did change (Hispanoamericano/a vs Hispanoamérico/a), not sure why that is, but it is functionally equivalent to US Lectionary vols. II & III.

——With this and the previous vol. I adaptation, we have Latin-American-adapted psalms from Spain for almost the whole year. Unfortunately, due to funding and other politics, the final volume (Ritual/Votive/Commons) of this project was never completed, but most psalms for those masses can be frankensteined from the psalms in these 2 books, using the Psalms index at the back of each to quickly locate different instances of psalms throughout the cycles to find appropriate refrains/verses.

——I've made the same pagination / ToC improvements in this PDF as above.


EDIT: See my post below for the links to these PDFs.


Here is a Google Drive link to a PDF with some sample pages of everything.

As the Leccionarios are out of print, and the Misal texts can be cumbersome to acquire, I would greatly like to make these PDFs available in full to all, but considering file size and obvious morally-debatable copyright issues, I cannot share them in full directly on this forum post. I would however be open to thoughts/recommendations on how to make these more widely available (Internet Archive, Sribd, and some others come to mind). Feedback appreciated.

After some consideration and experimenting, I've decided to upload the Misal Romano and the Leccionarios to the Internet Archive and hope that they'll be a lasting resource there. Here are the links:

Misal Romano, tercera edición (Liturgical Press, 2018)

Leccionario Edición Hispanoamericana (Dominical / Ferial) (Liturgical Press, 1994)

Thank you, Noé, for doing this. Very helpful indeed.

You need to scroll down a little and look for the Download Options section (on the right if viewing from a non-mobile screen). There, look for the PDF option among the many in the list. It may take a while, it’s a large file (373MB).

I was able to download them both just fine this morning.