Seeking Wisdom: Navigating Parish and School Politics as a Dual Music Director and Teacher
  • Dr_Haze
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    Seeking Wisdom: Navigating Parish and School Politics as a Dual Music Director and Teacher (sorry for the long read)

    I find myself in a unique and increasingly difficult position that I hope others here might understand—or at least help me make sense of. I serve as both the music director of a parish and the music teacher at its attached Pre-K–8 Catholic school. It’s a rare privilege, but lately, it has felt more like a tightrope walk.

    I began as the part-time school music teacher near the end of the pandemic, and for a year I collaborated with the former music director and helped with the children’s choir. When he moved to Chicago (his wife began a DMA at Northwestern), I naturally stepped into the music director role. That same year, the parish transitioned from Gather (3rd Edition) to Source & Summit. I wasn’t behind the decision, but I came to embrace it wholeheartedly—especially its use of antiphons, chant, and its thoughtful hymn selection. With mentorship, liturgical documents, and some trial and error, I began forming a music program centered on the principles of singing the Mass—not just singing at Mass.

    My first year as both teacher and director was hard but fruitful: one school Mass with music a month, a capable adult choir, skilled cantors, and growing enthusiasm from students. A fall concert, Christmas concert, a spring staged musical. In my second year I introduced Missa de Angelis, and it caught on faster than I could have hoped. Before I even arrived at the school, the students were already familiar with the Latin mass parts from the Missa Primativa, and I began seeing real musical and spiritual growth, particularly in one class I’ve taught consistently now over three years. That group has grown into a truly exceptional children’s choir. This year, we launched a Girls' Schola and now have a pool of young cantors who serve at both school and parish liturgies.

    But everything changed this past year.

    We welcomed an interim principal (after the previous one was fired) and also lost the priest who had hired me—he left on sabbatical. The resulting leadership vacuum left me reporting to two people new to the community, to the liturgy, and new to Source & Summit. Tensions emerged, particularly around school liturgies.

    First the principal requested having music at every weekly school mass, not just once a month. I saw that as an opportunity, though it involved a lot more work. But it didn't take long for her to begin asserting control over the music planning, often pushing for popular “feel-good” hymns like "Here I Am, Lord" or "Christ Be Our Light", arguing that students need to "know the songs", and ALL of them should sing in order to participate. She expressed discomfort with the use of Latin—despite the fact that the students had already been singing Latin Mass parts for years and were quite comfortable with it. She saw even a the few minutes of Latin during a one hour mass as a barrier to participation. By contrast, I saw it as a way of forming our students in the Church’s musical and liturgical tradition. The content within Source & Summit has proven to be an effective teaching tool as well, introducing plainchant to children, making it easier for them to learn and read modern notation, and even discover and decipher the original chant notation. Like with the parish, changes like this take time, and I was shocked by the principal's urgency to change things to suit her personal taste when it really shouldn't be a high priority in her first year as principal.

    Thankfully, the new priest did step in to support keeping Latin chant during Advent and Lent—but the overall experience has been deflating. For the first time, I feel like my vocation has been reduced to taking requests. Like being someone's personal DJ. After a few contentious meetings, and agreeing to disagree, the principal has since taken to calling herself the “spiritual leader” of the school, though she hasn’t clearly defined what that means in liturgical practice. What’s more painful is that previous principals never interfered with liturgy planning at all, and the two previous directors who are now close friends and colleagues of mine were allowed to use their knowledge and expertise with advice but not overreaching oversight. I sought their advice at the end of the year along with some of my other colleagues and former employers, who were all universally surprised—if not dismayed—by what I shared. They encouraged me to continue advocating for sacred music and proper liturgy, even when it’s uncomfortable.

    Now, I’m at a crossroads. I want to continue the good work I’ve begun with these students. I still believe in the mission of forming young Catholics through the beauty of sacred music. But I’m weary. I sometimes wonder if I’m clinging too tightly to ideals and trying too hard to “do things right,” when I should just go along to get along.

    Has anyone here navigated something similar? How do you balance fidelity to the liturgy with institutional politics—especially when working across both school and parish spheres? Is there a way to maintain hope and integrity without burning out?
  • rvisser
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    It sounds like you have done some really amazing things with the students in your parish. I have been in this situation before, and it is very difficult! I was the DM (11 years) at a large parish with a K-8 school, where the school music teachers/principal wanted the kids to sing P&W worship music and things like "Be Not Afraid." My success with school Masses there was to create a school Mass worship aid with repertoire for school Masses that could be repeated often (thus pleasing those who think the children should be able to sing ALL THE THINGS). This included a setting of the Ordinary. I also made sure the psalms were sung with the correct text, not Haugen/Haas paraphrases, so I ended up writing most of these myself. I regret that I could not do more in that situation.

    Despite having an amazing children's choir at that parish (55 students, and it grew to 70 the year I left), I finally came to the conclusion that teaching good liturgical music to children is the hill I will die on. I moved on to a parish with a K-12 school, where I was parish music director and high school choir director. Even in a parish with good liturgy, I ran into conflict with what was being taught to the younger students. Again, I was confirmed in my belief that teaching good liturgical music to children is the hill I will die on, and I moved on.

    I just finished my first year teaching music at a K-12 school where I am also the parish music director, and it is AMAZING! I have the great blessing of having a wonderfully supportive and involved pastor, and a trusting and supportive school principal, both of whom give me the freedom to do what I am trained to do.

    All of this is to say that I do not think you are clinging too tightly to ideals. You are in a very difficult position, and you're right - it is very deflating. From the description of your parish/school dynamic, I would start with a conversation with your pastor. What does he value in the Catholic education of his students? The principal should not be giving you music suggestions (my own principal would laugh whole-heartedly at the idea!) unless perhaps he/she is a trained liturgical musician. The pastor is the spiritual leader of the school. Maybe the pastor doesn't have strong musical knowledge and simply wants a school that produces faithful Catholics, and that's where you can step in and give your expertise and say "the way we get there is by teaching the students what the Catholic Church teaches about music, starting with singing the Ordinary in Latin, etc, etc..."

    My last suggestion, which probably should be the first one, is to simply take this issue to Jesus in prayer in the adoration chapel. I'm fairly certain He has better ideas about how He should be worshipped than teaching children terrible music, and He can show you the way to do this in your current situation ;) I think there is a great value to staying in a parish and developing the music program over a long period of time, so moving on to a new place would never be my first piece of advice. However, after much prayer at my previous two jobs, it was clear to me that God wanted my family to be somewhere else, and that somewhere else is where we are right now. I just try to follow where He's telling me to go, and I've ended up in places I would never expect!

    I wish you the best in the good work you are doing. God bless.
  • Bri
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    Is the interim principal temporary?

  • Dr_Haze
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    I should’ve mentioned - that in lieu of a proper candidate search interviewing multiple candidates, one of which being a former Vice Principal who went to the school as a child and whose mother taught there for years, also having two children of her own in the school - the Priest found it easier to offer the permanent position to the interim principal, so no job search needed.
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  • Dr_Haze
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  • irishtenoririshtenor
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    I've been in a similar position before and it all comes down to the pastor and his willingness to set boundaries with the principal. If he allows the principal to assert control over the Masses where school children are present, you've got no chance.

    It could be as simple as telling the principal that Dr_Haze has final authority over the music used at school Masses and it is not a collaborative process between the principal and Dr_Haze.

    Why pastors seem so reluctant to place this boundary in place is beyond me.
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  • Bri
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    As I reflect on the situation, it makes me think about the idea of authority -- and the different types of authority that may be at play here. Two in particular come to mind: (1) positional authority and (2) expert authority.

    First, there is positional authority. As others have mentioned, it seems that it is important to understand the "chain of command" -- who reports to whom and who gets to decide what. What is the pastor's role? The principal's? Yours?

    There is also expert authority. So, while you may report to both the pastor and the principal, you likely have more expertise in certain areas than the pastor and/or the principal -- for example, knowledge of Church documents about liturgy, a deep understanding of music theory and performance, pedagogical best practices in the area of music education, among others.

    If there is murkiness in the area of positional authority or if there is clarity that is not in your favor (e.g., if the principal can indeed provide direction regarding the music choices at the school Masses), then perhaps there is a way to use your expertise to communicate your reasons for continuing on the path you have started. If that is the case, I wonder if starting with reasons related to music pedagogy (which the principal is likely to admit is not her area of expertise -- unless she herself was a music teacher) rather than liturgy (which many people seem to think they know a lot about simply because they attend Mass regularly) might be more fruitful.

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    To more specifically focus on the questions originally asked ("How do you balance fidelity to the liturgy with institutional politics—especially when working across both school and parish spheres? Is there a way to maintain hope and integrity without burning out?"), I don't necessarily have thoughts myself -- just more questions (for reflection, not necessarily intended for sharing):

    - Do you have any flexibility to step down from the school position and only work at the parish?
    - Are you willing to look for other positions?
    - Are you able to relocate?
    - If you need to stay in this role but are forced to make changes, what are there 1 or 2 things that you absolutely don't want to let go of? As one mentor of mine would say, "what is the hill you are willing to die on?"
    - Where do you still have control? For example, is there an option to continue to do "good music" during music classes (a more private space), even if the school liturgies (a more public space) utilize different music?
    - Are there things you can do outside of the school that could fulfill you professionally or personally if you are no longer receiving that fulfillment from (part of) your job?
  • Dr_Haze
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    I was just starting to really love the work I was doing at the school and parish. I was feeling more welcome and accepted by the students and parishioners, and more importantly the parents and singers in the music ministry. The principal really took the wind out of my sails not only with just blatant ignorance, but sheer disrespect toward my expertise and my position. For the first time, I am seeking other positions that are out there, and I've applied to two private Catholic schools in the area.

    I've reached out to the Office of Worship in my Archdiocese to ask for guidance and resources on the matter, but for the time being, I'm willing to grin and bear it, because despite what I see as unnecessary oversight that is clearly overreaching, I feel that I'll be able to use what limited creative freedom I have to give the students the quality music education I've envisioned for them all along.

    The hardest part of this job was never the music, the planning, the teaching ... it's dealing with people.
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  • Bri
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    And probably the "adult people" are harder than the "kid people"

  • Bobby Bolin
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    Go to the principal and explain to them that the school should adopt a new set of learning standards. When they tell you that you don't have the qualifications and experience to make that decision...

    Don't do that, but it would be nice to. Wishing you the best.
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  • Kathy
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    I wonder of it's possible to back out of the weekly commitment and go back to the once a month sung Masses? Perhaps they have a piano player who can do the jukebox job. And then you can either endure the penance monthly, or maybe the priest will allow the S&S model for "balance."

    This is such a pain. It's a very familiar story and has happened to many on this forum. It's a terrible feeling when it happens to you, and I'm really sorry you're going through it.
  • jcr
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    We (my wife and I) have run into unnecessary tensions between the church musician(s) and the school music teachers in a couple of situations. In one of them some of the problem may have stemmed from a shameful muddle of chaos and confusion among the new pastor who had no use for us for reasons that never made any sense, at least one of the teachers who had sat through my undergraduate course in "music appreciation" and had something of an ax to grind of a personal nature, and several other complications that proceeded from the afore-mentioned conditions. This was awful in the extreme and we left the position very shortly after. Attempts to regularize relations with the pastor proved impossible. In the following 6 or 7 years he went through about five music directors at least two of whom were told to pack up and go suddenly (like after the first Mass on Sunday morning). This was the worst situation of this kind that we experienced. Others were difficult, but did not result in such drastic solutions.
    Usually these occasions of animosity or whatever it is seem to develop from some combination of envy/jealousy and a fearful guarding of their turf. Please proceed prayerfully and seek wisdom for dealing with it. Most of all avoid being bitten by the evils of their misguided fears and insecurities. It may be that you can make peace with them and their concerns. I know that there will be other musicians praying for you regarding this matter.
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  • Dr_Haze
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    I'm in DC, and the Archdiocese of Washington has an Office of Worship that I've contacted. So nice to know they are there! I expressed my concerns and gave a summary of what's happened over the last year. First they thanked me for taking it seriously and said that it was commendable to reach out to them. So, they confirmed that a school principal has no business with planning liturgies in any way, shape, or form, BUT it's ultimately all within the pastor's jurisdiction to regulate any perceived political struggles within a parish that also happens to be attached to a school. Our new pastor has been working here as long as the new principal, and he simply wants us all to get along. I'm disappointed with how both of them have handled the situation. Though the principal has blatantly disregarded my talent, training and expertise, I still have to work "under" her as a dual employed director/music teacher. Honestly, the perks of this job and the notable progress I've made in the school and parish have made the whole experience worthwhile, but I am now actively seeking better positions where my talent and expertise will be respected and put to better use. Priests, as it turns out, aren't the best executives or administrators when it comes to these sorts of issues. Who knew.
  • If you don't actually report to the principal on liturgy, what would happen if you simply didn't take her requests?
  • francis
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    Who knew.
    most of us since the new springtime began.
  • wspinnenwspinnen
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    Our new pastor has been working here as long as the new principal, and he simply wants us all to get along.


    That was the situation I was in at my most recent job. It was compounded by the fact we had a music teacher who wasn't Catholic (they were Mormon) and was extremely combative toward me from day one. Pastor just wanted us to get along, and the principal didn't understand my vision and what I wanted to accomplish. I was about to take a drastic step, but then the diocese closed the school.

    A few weeks later, I resigned, and then the pastor received a new assignment after asking the bishop for one/being run out of town by the parish legacy families for closing the school.

    I am now actively seeking better positions where my talent and expertise will be respected and put to better use.


    I just got a position where my qualifications will be put to better use than the job I left. Don't worry, you'll find your niche. Sometimes, it's just a hard waiting game.
  • canadashcanadash
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    If you don't actually report to the principal on liturgy, what would happen if you simply didn't take her requests?


    If you have time, I would create a music plan for the whole year. Then I would get your pastor to approve it after which I would send it to the principal. Hopefully, at this time of year, she will be too busy to make any comments. In the plan, I would somehow respectfully state that changes will not be made to the plan (and do your best not to make any changes yourself). If she comes up with something, I would try to be respectful and tell her that you trust her to do her job and she should trust you to do yours.

    I know, I know, this is harder than it seems, but it's what I would try.
    Prayers.
  • Dr_Haze
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    Thanks, I have done exactly that. I've submitted a calendar with all the school liturgies with music, and every month I will share the Ordos with school and parish staff in the interest of transparency and constructive oversight.