Rift in Music Ministry
  • Reval
    Posts: 194
    Regarding "O Sacrum Convivium", the text is great of course - but why use the Manalo setting? I guess it's in the hymnal. Can you use the chant?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Ons0WZ5aw

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  • DavidOLGCDavidOLGC
    Posts: 117
    matthewj
    Does your priest sing his parts of the Mass? Sometimes hearing sung dialogues/orations makes the other musical changes make more sense in the eyes of those who prefer other music.


    Yes, our pastor sings many parts of the Mass, and so does our small choir.
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  • organdonor12
    Posts: 11
    Reval,


    Thank you for sharing the beautiful chant version of “O Sacrum Convivium”. I like it much better.

    Unfortunately, the only version in our hymnal is the one from Ricky Manalo.
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  • chonakchonak
    Posts: 9,090
    It's a rather loose English adaptation of St. Thomas Aquinas' "O Sacrum Convivium", combined with other thoughts about the Eucharist.

    The original is not very long, which allows it to be reflective:

    O sacred banquet, in which Christ is received;
    the memory of his passion is renewed;
    the mind is filled with grace
    and a firstfruits of future glory is given to us, alleluia.

    Fr. Manalo is padding this with added material and making it much longer to fit the structure he's chosen.

    There's no harm in singing it, but I wouldn't do all the verses: maybe just 1 and 2. Maybe 5. As you observed, the text is putting too much attention on us.
  • dad29
    Posts: 2,237
    Organdonor, have you thought about having a duel? You know: 10 paces, and all that.

    If nothing else, the question would be resolved, permanently.
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  • ServiamScores
    Posts: 3,181
    Two things I do not like: the repeated emphasis on “meal” and the fact that it reads like **yet another** social justice tract. That said, by and large, you can do worse (at least textually).
  • CharlesW
    Posts: 12,041
    I still think this would make a good Nancy Drew or Hardy Boys title, "The Rift in the Music Ministry." There's a body hidden somewhere in this mystery.
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  • I'm quite surprised to see " O Sacrum Convivium" mentioned. I will let you all know I was the DOM who was behind the commission of that piece in 2019 and I love it for a multitude of reasons. It was composed for my then-parish's 100th anniversary Celebration (2019-2020). In the Diocese of Covington (Kentucky), this piece is actually considered good compared to what many of the other parishes are doing. There are a number of publication edits that made it into the final version I wasn't completely thrilled about, but the piece nonetheless holds a special place in my heart.

    Verses 1, 2, 5, and 6 were meant to be a paraphrase/gloss of the traditional O Sacrum Convivium text. Verses 3 and 4 brought it the works of mercy because we were really trying to get a parish with "old money" that was in the habit of paying off their responsibilities to understand authentic stewardship. We really used this centennial year to reflect on James 2: 14-16 "What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?" Another pearl of wisdom we attempted to weave into the hymn was Augustine's sermon 272, "If you, therefore, are Christ's body and members, it is your own mystery that is placed on the Lord's table! It is your own mystery that you are receiving! You are saying "Amen" to what you are: your response is a personal signature, affirming your faith. When you hear "The body of Christ", you reply "Amen." Be a member of Christ's body, then, so that your "Amen" may ring true!" The parish was in the midst of rediscovering authentic stewardship; not the silly version of the prosperity gospel, but one rooted in Hospitality, Prayer, Formation and Service. Once the parish has offered those, we might earn the privilege of asking for the faithful's time, talent, and treasure; in that order.

    It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I will gladly continue to use it because it marked a very important step in my career and really brought a disjointed music program together and unified the parish around the stewardship renewal for our 100th anniversary. Yes, this piece of music and the catechesis that accompanied it really did this.

    I proudly served Blessed Sacrament for five and half years (2018-2023) before moving on. Over the course of those five years we had a pastor change and a number of staff members retire and the new ones were... not the quality of the old ones. I realized it was my time to move on and have been blessed with opportunities to continue as a music director and as a high school choir director.
  • TLMlover
    Posts: 75
    "At the same time I think if providence puts one in a
    position to make decisive changes for the better, one
    should make them and not chase after compromise
    for the sake of being nice. If that means wresting
    influence from a few individuals, or shutting down
    bad suggestions, don't feel guilty about doing it."

    I agree. And actually I'm kind of in the same situation as the OP but my priest shut down my opponents. I think that's really the key, as others have mentioned - to have the backing of your priest.

    This Lent, I came into a very dismal musical situation at my small parish, at the pastor's invitation. I immediately changed everything, right from my first Mass on Ash Wednesday. This might not work in a large parish, but with 30 souls in our tiny parish I just somehow decided to go for big changes right off the bat. And I haven't regretted it.

    Four fuddy duddies proceeded to "resign" from the parish right away, and it doesn't bother me at all. Those four were replaced by two young couples with children, who are enthusiastic and want to give their time, talent, and treasure to the parish. And guess what, they love my music.

    The fuddy duddies wanted the dismal old 80s stuff. As George H.W. Bush used to say, "Not gunna do it."

    I now have a two-voice choir, and they love singing traditional music! I have received many compliments on the music, including a wide-eyed older lady who one Sunday said to me, "You have totally transformed this parish!"

    So, OP, as the old 80s funeral dirge says, "Be not afraid." If your fuddy duddy "resigns," oh well. Someone will replace her. Just do what's right musically and have the pastor's approval and you'll be fine!

    Best wishes!

  • SponsaChristi
    Posts: 606
    things I do not like: the repeated emphasis on “meal”


    As one priest said, “if I wanted to serve dinner I’d have become a waiter.”
  • Don9of11Don9of11
    Posts: 803
    @organdonor
    The "O Sacrum Convivium" St. Mary's choir would sing is by Remondi and arranged by Nicola Montani. I don't have a recording of the choir singing it, but this video on youTube is the best. It reminds me of St. Mary's Choir.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2JNgOLCXE8
    O Sacrum Convivium.pdf
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  • PaxMelodious
    Posts: 469
    In a church context, if someone says "my way or the highway", then the answer is always to bless then and wish them a safe journey.

    And that applies equally to rad-trads, dippy-hippies, charismatic-crackpots, CCM-young-bucks, chant-fanatics, church-music-lite-fuddy-duddies and whatever other names you want to call people whose spirit moves to different grooves.

  • CharlesW
    Posts: 12,041
    I always referred them to a neighboring parish where the priest, as our pastor said, "peddles some attractive snake oil."
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  • ServiamScores
    Posts: 3,181
    Here is a nicer engraving of the Remondi/Montani. A favorite of ours.
    O Sacrum Convivium • Remondi • O Sacrum Convivium • Full score.pdf
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  • oldhymnsoldhymns
    Posts: 260
    Here is a wonderful recording of O Sacrum Convivium (Remondi) from my website, catholicdevotionalhymns.com This recording was performed under the direction of Robert Prior (RIP), music director and organist at Our Saviour RC Church in NYC.

    https://www.catholicdevotionalhymns.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/prior-ny-O-sacrum-convivium.mp3