An example of applying it to liturgical music might be - that if a professional singer is hired for a funeral they should sing the Subvenite, In paradisum, etc. rather than Schubert's Ave Maria. But the intervening factors might include, at that time, some rubric forbidding it unless you had a High Mass.A statement about a causal, empirical, or logical relation between two states of affairs is ceteris paribus if it is acknowledged that the statement, although usually accurate in expected conditions, can fail because of, or the relation can be abolished by, intervening factors.
It wasn't possible in 1963 for every Roman Catholic parish to sing Gregorian chant
I basically don’t advocate for simplifying propers at all, and in the two cases where we do, we do chant at the beginning and end, with psalm tones in between. If we did need to do so, I’m not sure how long I’d be able to tolerate it, and so I’d be very happy to spend extra time on chant so as to fluidly read notation and on choral technique if it meant getting to the full propers.
I also realize that this isn’t the reality of most people, but it gets to one of my pet observations: of course a funeral or wedding or special Mass deserve the propers just like others. But it’s usually better to have several chanters (ceteris paribus…) than one, which is alas often the case for such Masses scheduled at the last minute or where money is involved (I say pay everyone to sing…)
LOL - I doubt anyone of any denomination in this, admittedly very small, country is paid regularly to sing in church. Most organists are unpaid volunteers, although there will be fees for funerals and weddings.(I say pay everyone to sing…)
But is this really true? Were there parishes who could not even muster the resources to sing psalm tone Propers (Rossini or otherwise) and a chant Mass (even if it was just the same one year round, even one of the simplest)?
Rossini propers don't contribute to this other desideratum, while hymn sandwich was in 1963 an obvious way of promoting congregational participation.SC 30. To promote active participation, the people should be encouraged to take part by means of acclamations, responses, psalmody, antiphons, and songs, as well as by actions, gestures, and bodily attitudes. And at the proper times all should observe a reverent silence.
I can't stand stand psalm tone propers either, and I would gladly practice an extra three or five hours each week to avoid them
Quod Erat Demonstrandum.A student challenged the professor who had said that a false statement implies anything. The student said, "Well, if one and one are one, can you show us how to prove it follows that you are the Pope?"
The professor replied: "Surely, you grant that the Pope is one and that I am one. Therefore, if one and one are one, it follows (after substituting equals) that the Pope and I are one."
the reality is that many (volunteer) choristers
Just because the mobs revolt, doesn’t mean they are right to do so. You and I both know that the Novus Ordo Missæ was originally promulgated in Latin, and that SC and other documents such as Jubílate Deo specify that Latin is to be retained and used in the new rite. The fact that the baby was thrown out with the bathwater doesn’t’ change this fact. It’s a crisis of catechesis and will. Mercifully, not every congregation is hostile toward Latin. I have been lucky to experience such places (thanks be to God).Latin really doesn’t belong in the Novus Ordo. Almost every time I present Latin to the Novus Ordo congregation They are very quick to take me out for a scourging.
The fact that the baby was thrown out with the bathwater doesn’t’ change this fact.
I have been hearing rumblings that it’s going in the opposite. No TLM once and for all. Not sure if this will impact the Ecclesia Dei orders or just the Diocesan efforts.I’d be happy as a clam if the TLM was fully restored and the NO put away for good tomorrow.
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