NEW PIECE! - Proclamations of the Faithful
  • achoyce91
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    Sorry to all of you guys who wanted to see and hear it. I got scared I'd get too prideful of my work. It's something I've struggled a lot with. Below are the links to the audio and score.

    Audio: https://soundcloud.com/alexchoyce/sets/proclamations-of-the-faithful

    Score: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mfd5c25iwumbmd2/Proclamations of the Faithful.pdf?dl=0
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  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    Alex,


    Interesting. What's the source of the text?

  • achoyce91
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    Hi Chris,

    I wrote it, which I know is unorthodox. I just wrote the music first and didn't want to change it.
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    Alex,

    I don't know that it's unorthodox to write a text for existing music, even if one is the author of both.
    That prompts my second question: what use do you envision for it: large diocesan gatherings, struggling parishes, concerts, CMAA colloquia?
  • NihilNominisNihilNominis
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    Alex,

    I'm sorry to see your change to the OP. I couldn't pull up the score, but was listening to the recordings, and found them fascinating and compelling. I think you should be a composer.
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  • irishtenoririshtenor
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    I'd be interested to see/hear your work, if you'd be willing to share
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    Alex,

    Like NihilNominis, I'm sorry to see you change the OP.
  • achoyce91
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    @NihilNominis and @Chris Garton-Zavesky, I reposted the links to both the score and audio. The piece is most definitely a concert work, Chris. Thanks for the support y'all.
  • ServiamScores
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    Achoyce91, just as a word of caution: you have organ notes that don't exist (ie- out of range, particularly in the pedal). I presume you just wanted to hear a lower octave sound in your mockup, but you will need to edit your score if you ever have the opportunity to put it in front of players.
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  • Nathan_the_Organist
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    To add one helpful detail to what Serviam said, the lowest pitch for both the hands and the pedal is C2.
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  • achoyce91
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    @Nathan_the_Organist @ServiamScores thank you both! My virtual organ instrument got me : (
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  • achoyce91
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    @Nathan_the_Organist @ServiamScores I added stop designations to signify "as written" or "8vb". The score should be fine now.
  • ServiamScores
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    ‘Fraid not. Starting on page 2 that B doesn’t exist in the pedalboard, and page 4 is totally unplayable. (Well, as written, you know what I mean.)

    Or do you mean that you updated it on your end but Dropbox has the old version of the score?
  • achoyce91
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    @ServiamScores No... I thought I corrected it. I know the sounding pitch is playable, otherwise, Vienna Symphonic Library wouldn't have included it in the sounding range. How should it be notated? I thought including the stops and bumping the written range up an octave would have done it. Not so?
  • achoyce91
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    OH SHOOT! I did correct most of it but clearly forgot to bump up the written part in certain staves. THANK YOU @ServiumScores
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  • achoyce91
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    @ServiumScores I think I finally got it fixed. Lemme know if you see anything wrong. Thanks and God bless! And you too, @Nathan_the_Organist !
  • ServiamScores
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    It all looks good and is easily readable now.

    I will say that the transition from page 3 into page 4 you have the manuals very low and also marked 16'. This wouldn't work in real life (although it may trick your VST into the sound your looking for). You'd want to keep the manuals on 8' stops there, or else it will get too muddy. Also, playing an open 4th that low, especially with 16' on the manuals would have an effect similar to a 32' pedal resultant (fake 32' tone which manipulates harmonics). But just going that low in the range will already create quite a full sound, especially with the manuals already doubling the low D in the pedals.
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  • achoyce91
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    Yeah I see what you're talking about. Pulling out the 16' stop would require a third hand. I'll definitely change that.
  • achoyce91
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    Ok! Fixed it again. Hopefully everything's kosher.
  • ServiamScores
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    No third hand needed; it will just sound like a muddy mess.

    With pistons and toe studs, modern organs can facilitate stop changes very easily. The bigger issue is the tonal effect that adding a 16' stop to the manuals will have. Perhaps you DO want that, but I would personally question the marking when you're already playing so low. It's a bit like piano: you can certainly play chords that low, but the lower down you get, the muddier the chords get the more notes you have and the more closely those notes are spaced.

    Adding 16' pitches there is the equivalent of transposing that already-low chord down another octave. The effect can be mitigated if you use a light stop such as a 16' quintadena or 16' bourdon that is a bit anemic, but if you used a 16' principal or bombarde/fagott, for instance, the effect would be a bit much, IMHO.
  • achoyce91
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    Ok. Thanks @ServiumScores
  • VocesCapituli
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    Dear Alex,
    I like your music a lot! I would like to get in touch to talk about it. I have a small ensemble (tenors and basses) and would love to sing your music (at liturgy).
    Dirk Maes
    Belgium
  • achoyce91
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    Hi @VocesCapituli Thank you for your kind words! The only way I can see this music used is in the hymn sections of Novus Ordo Masses. This piece is meant to be used as a four movement work for concert, but I can definitely discuss further uses for the movements. Send me a private message and we can discuss this further! Thanks again!
    - Alex
  • achoyce91
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    @VocesCapituli I would love to write a new piece since you only have tenors and basses. Since you liked my piece, I'm assuming you're traditional, but which Mass: Novus Ordo or Tridentine?
  • VocesCapituli
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    Hey Alex, some pictures of the churches we sing in: Saint Lawrence (novus ordo) and Saint Jacob (Tridentine)
    1. Exterieur Saint Lawrence.jpg
    500 x 375 - 167K
    2. Interior Saint Lorenz.jpg
    259 x 194 - 10K
    3. Exterieur Sint Jacobs.jpg
    361 x 241 - 68K
    2. Interior St. Jacob.jpg
    750 x 563 - 105K
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  • achoyce91
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    WOW! Saint Jacob's is exquisite!
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