here's the problem with quoting Cardinal Arinze: All that he has is an opinon, just like me and everyone else.
everything can be reduced to opinions
So, whose authority do you recognize? I haven't heard you agree with anyone's sources other than your own yet. You'd listen to the Pope, you said, but doesn't he have opinions too?
He [Cardinal Arinze] articulates the opinion that it is lawful for a Catholic musician to play for a Protestant congregation only for a special occasion, not as a regular, ongoing engagement, and when it is clearly understood as a musical performance and not active participation in worship. That's pretty restrictive.
So, did the Cardinal Bishop say something that contradicts the documents, laws, or teachings? If so, I'd like to see a citation please. My point is that you can always use the argument "it's just your opinion." That's how the 2% club gets rid of Gregorian Chant and Latin. You want to do Gregorian Chant because a church document says that's what She wants? That's just your opinion.
Now - your comparing this to the arguments to get rid of Gregorian chant is a strawman and a fallacy, since documents DO explicitly call for the inclusion of Gregorian Chant in the liturgy. There's no getting around that. That's not my or anyone else's OPINION, but FACT.
(we all know it's not in that case, but reducing your evidence to the level of opinion in the eyes of others is an effective way of your opponents to manipulate what your evidence says, and reduce its meaning).
There you go with that medieval Latin hairsplitting again.
Every sin, depending on its gravity, is for the soul either a small injury, a deep wound, sometimes a serious disease, or perhaps even a fatal illness.
Not every sin requires the necessity of formal penance through sacramental ritual. This is obvious because Christians are never completely without sin. Certain grave sins or the prolonged separation from Holy Communion, however, do call for the act of sacramental penance.
Well, you say that "tolerance" is synonomous with "promotion," and I'm not sure that it always is. Certainly there are probably people who use the word in that manner in a sort of "code."
Yes.Could employing a Protestant for work in a Catholic parish be a form of evangelization?
On the part of the applicant, no. On the part of the employer, possibly.Could applying for a Protestant position be a form of evangelization?
Could applying for a Protestant position be a form of evangelization?
If all this time spent discussing was spent practicing... ;-)
It still makes more better reading than another thread
OHHHHH THE IRONY/HUMANITY
If all this time spent discussing was spent practicing...
We have a lot of Protestant converts that go through RCIA, and then start spouting off that they know more than those "cradle Catholics" and how they are "more Catholic than most Catholics" because of it. It makes me wonder where they get that notion from. I prefer to state that someone was "born into the faith" instead. For converts, I prefer "returned to the faith."
Seems to me that Pp Francis has it right: the Church is a hospital for sinners.
The Forum Etiquette Guidelines (peace be upon them)
remind us to criticiz[sic]e errors, not people.
So, think of your Protestant services not as a stand-in for the mass, but, say, as a form of matins or vespers - maybe high-morning prayer or a form of evensong.
singing in the choir or playing the organ is hardly comparable to merely sitting in the pew silently.
It's been announced that the current occupant of St. Peter's chair will be leading non-Catholic worship next year to mark the 500th anniversary of the so-called Reformation. As an atheist friend of mine commented, "I often get the feeling with this pope that he's playing for the other team." Sure, the historical circumstances are different today than they were under Nero, Diocletian, or Elizabeth I, but is the lack of open persecution and martyrdom enough to justify common worship with non-Catholics? I daresay most Catholic musicians who are willing to perform for Protestant services would do similarly for Unitarians, Mormons, or Jews. If mosques or the temples of the various eastern religions had need of professional organists or choirs, perhaps they would also consider this work unobjectionable. If not, they should ask themselves whether the sacrilegious and invalid administration of sacraments might not be objectively more offensive to the Holy Trinity than prayers to a false deity. I consider this a serious matter meriting serious discussion, not flippant dismissal.I figure if popes and cardinals can make a career of kissing Protestant butt, who am I to judge? Take the money, if you need it. There are many worse things you could do for a living.
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