Quick EF Calendar Question
  • BenBen
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    Still getting used to the EF calendar... Am I correct that the EF propers for November 10, 2013 are Adorate Deum?

    Want to make sure I send out the correct music today to my schola :)
  • ClemensRomanusClemensRomanus
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    I think it's the 5th Sunday after Epiphany. I thought the Introit was Dicit Dominus: Ego cogito.
  • Andrew_Malton
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    Perhaps you would find http://divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/missa/missa.pl useful.
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  • BenBen
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    According to the liber, 5th sunday after Epiphany uses the same chants as the 3rd, which is adorate deum, pg 488.

    Or am I misunderstanding things?
  • tomjaw
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    It is a little confusing, so I reproduce the text of the St. Andrew Daily Missal:

    "If there are more than 24 Sundays after Pentecost, The Introit, Gradual, Alleluia, Offertory and Communion of the 23rd Sunday are REPEATED ON ALL the remaining Sundays. But the Collects, the Epistle and the Gospel are taken from those Sundays, which were passed over that year after the Epiphany."

    So the EF Propers for the 10th of November are,
    Int. Dicit Dominus
    Grad. Liberasti nos, Domine
    All. De profundis
    Off. De profundis
    Comm. Amen dico vobis.

    Of course the Collects, Epistle and Gospel will be those found for the 5th Sunday after Epiphany.

    UNLESS
    It is England when it could be a Requiem Mass for the Dead of the War(s).
    OR
    Your Church is named after St. Andrew Avellino, so you would use the Common Mass Os Justi.
    OR
    Your Church or Cathedral was dedicated on this day, then you would use the Dedication Mass.
  • gregpgregp
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    If there are more than 24 Sundays after Pentecost, The Introit, Gradual, Alleluia, Offertory and Communion of the 23rd Sunday are REPEATED ON ALL the remaining Sundays. But the Collects, the Epistle and the Gospel are taken from those Sundays, which were passed over that year after the Epiphany.


    This is what we do as well. In the Liber it states (p . 1078) under the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th Sundays after Epiphany: "Introit, Gradual, Offertory, and Communion as on the 23rd Sunday after Pentecost, p. 1074.", which is the "Dicit Dominus".

    The confusion arises because if you look in the place where the Sundays after Epiphany ACTUALLY occur, (p. 488ff), the propers are indicated as "Adorate Deum". So, the Lessons, Collects, Secrets, and Postcommunions for the 23rd through 28th SAPs (Sundays after Pentecost) are from the Sundays after Epihany (or SAEs), while the sung Propers are from the 23rd SAP.
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
    Posts: 6,902
    Ben,

    May I recommend two resources, which will answer these questions.

    1) An Ordo from either the Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest or the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter

    2) The Website of the Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest

    http://www.institute-christ-king.org/latin-mass-resources/sacred-music/

    It has one link marked

    24th, 25th, 26th & Last Sunday after Pentecost - Nov 3, 10, 17 & 24


    I'm so glad to see more young men discovering the Mass of the older form.

    God bless,

    Chris
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  • BenBen
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    Yup, that was confusing. Thanks all :)
  • tomjaw
    Posts: 2,782
    Here is the entry from the LMS online ordo:

    Sun 10 V SUNDAY remaining after EPIPHANY II Cl G
    Gl Cr Pr of the Holy Trinity
    Introit, Gradual, Alleluia Verse, Offertory & Communion of the XXIII Sunday after Pentecost: Collect, Epistle, Gospel, Secret & Postcommunion of the V Sunday after Epiphany.

    Link here, http://www.lms.org.uk/find-a-mass/liturgical-calendar-2013
  • BenBen
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    another quick question: in the EF, is December 8 immaculate conception, or Sunday in advent? I know for the OF it's transfered, but I thought it wasn't for EF...
  • ClemensRomanusClemensRomanus
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    IC, with a commemoration of the Sunday.
  • BenBen
    Posts: 3,114
    So chants would be IC, right?
  • ClemensRomanusClemensRomanus
    Posts: 1,023
    Yep.
  • Chris AllenChris Allen
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    Immaculate Conception's a 1st class feast, so it takes precedence over what would otherwise be a 2nd class Sunday.
  • quilisma
    Posts: 136
    Sundays of Advent are 1st class also. You have to look closely at the order of precedence of 1st class feasts to decide if IC trumps a Sunday of Advent. In the EF it does, in the OF it doesn't.
  • rich_enough
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    Is there such a thing as a "Quick EF Calendar Question"? ;)
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  • gregpgregp
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    Is there such a thing as a "Quick EF Calendar Question"? ;)


    Yes - what's this coming Sun- never mind.
  • Arthur Connick
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    What's kind of interesting is that in the 1956 reform, 2nd Sunday of Advent was given precedence over the Immaculate Conception albeit with permission to celebrate the feast as an External Solemnity. This was reversed in the 1961 reform.
  • CCoozeCCooze
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    I know this is from a while ago, but this online calendar is always helpful: http://www.traditio.com/cal.htm.

    Buying yearly calendars from the FSSP is also extremely handy, not to mention that they are beautiful (and apparently sell out quickly), and are the quickest method of finding out what is celebrated on any given day of the year.
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