We could ban mIxed choirs as in an earlier time ...

Sorry about the absolutely horrendous grammar in the above post.....let me try this again...."and I'm certainly not going to start a conversation bashing me".......

Do you notice bad grammar more in men or in women? Discuss!

Given that more men seem to post here than women, I'd say I notice bad grammar more in men. In fact, I would not be surprised if the percentage of male postings with bad grammar exceeds the percentage of female postings with bad grammar.

best solution:

all men, pray for women

all women, pray for men

it is the plan of the evil one to set one sex against another.

chuck... i avoid grammar on the forum.

At the risk of adding more worthless fluff to this question, I will say that in 20+ years of working with volunteers in music, I haven't noticed any difference between the sexes. IMHO it makes all the difference how people are treated.

My problems are not so much with Male v. Female singers but overly-educated singers. You know the kind:

1) Degree in music;
2) Has had 'voice lessons' (read 'learned how to warble badly');
3) Can sight read (or thinks can sight read) standard notation, and thusly enjoys the feeling of superiority over the volunteer members, yet;
4) Because of warbling and related bad technique, has difficulty tuning and;
5) Concentrates too much on the printed page without listening to the group as a whole;
6) Puts up a stink when learning plainchant because it's in Unison (Only little kids sing in unison, and I'm beyond this.), yet;
7) Has the most difficulty learning the chant because of Nos. (4) and (5) above, which results in;
8) Feelings of inferiority, which are compensated by being a bigger Diva than Maria Callas, and requests to sing arias from Messiah.

Sometimes it's the degreed musician, sometimes it's the amateur.

It's not the education that's a problem. It's thinking one knows more than one does, and being somehow unpleasant about it.

The problem of ignorance can be the amateur who resents the degreed musician, and thinks they can automatically be on the same level of musicality and musicianship. Or it can just as assuredly be the the degreed musician who knows less about aspects of sacred music (especially chant, I've noticed) than the amateur, and has not been formed in a liturgical sense.

We all have various holes in our backgrounds, and I'd wager that almost all of us have been guilty of the above ego traps at one point or another. I know I have anyway.