Agnus Dei - Did I steal this?
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    All of the tunes in the Mass of the Blessed Fire are based on Shaker tunes, some more or less directly.
    But, while singing the Agnus Dei (completed two years ago) this weekend at Mass, I kept thinking "this sounds overly familiar."

    Did I steal this from someplace other than a Public Domain Shaker tune? It seems like I might be copping another Agnus Dei, but I can't put my finger on it.

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  • francis
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    ive never heard it before
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  • BenBen
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    same
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    Nope, tough to assign plagarism to pentatonic stuff. But definitely no "My Sweet Lord" at play here, do-run/do-run, do-run.
    But again, AW, I'd consider making "sins of the..." quarter, 8th 8th, for a couple of obvious reasons.
  • ronkrisman
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    I don't know about the tune, Adam. I do know that if you were publishing this as part of an entire Mass ordinary and you had to seek the permissions of ICEL and the BCDW that publishers must seek, you'd be told to correct the punctuation to what is in the Roman Missal and to change "upon" to "on."
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    Yes, there is a version available that follows the new translation exactly.

    http://shakermass.musicforsunday.com/agnus-dei

    When I have time, I will update the setting's website and make it obvious what is for use in a Roman Rite Mass and what is intended for Episcopal (or other protestant) services.

    (Since the Agnus Dei is optional in Episcopal rite 2 services, they're pretty loosey goosey about things like that. So I changed it to "upon" for no reason other than that I thought it sounded better with the tune. This image is from the liturgy program for the current season.)
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    And the punctuation is probably just an oversight.
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    Easy fix, good catch, Fr. Ron, "on" an 8th, us a half. Done.
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    But again, AW, I'd consider making "sins of the..." quarter, 8th 8th, for a couple of obvious reasons.


    That looses a particular Shaker mannerism I'm quite fond of, which also happens to have an analog in the Gregorian "2s and 3s"
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    And I'm glad I didn't steal it.
    I wonder what I'm thinking of...
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    Your tune, you da shot-caller! But channeling my inner Judy Collins, "What I'll give you since you've asked....." Now I've got a whole bunch of gray ex-hippy ladies swooning at how sensitive I am, been my M.O. from day one.
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    I do think your suggestion for the end of the first line is better than my original ICEL-conforming version:
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    (Need to fix the punctuation, apparently. Why don't I ever proofread anything?!)
  • BenBen
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    glad to know I'm not the only one to have that problem!
  • melofluentmelofluent
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    I knew y'all's gonna do that, jes' tell yer quire folk, unless'n you pree-fer it thisaway, to not stretch that "rrrrrrrr" out on "meR--------cy" too durn fur.
  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    Hence why i like yours better. Also why I changed it to "upon" as above, which just put error on top of error.
  • chonakchonak
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    It's all right, Adam. If you leave the punctuation flaws in, it'll create a market niche for me to make the Punctuation-Corrected Edition of The Works of Adam Wood and keep all the profits, mwa ha ha.
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  • Adam WoodAdam Wood
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    That's what I call a value-add.
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