Ordination Thread
  • BenBen
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    If anyone wants to share what their diocese did/will do for Ordination Masses this spring, I always love to see what other dioceses use. I will post mine when I find the worship aid that I brought home...
  • BenBen
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    Diocese of Madison, WI Presbyteral Ordination
    May 24, 2013

    Organ, Brass Quintet + timp, flute, SATB choir

    Prelude: Air from Water Music (Handel, Brass)
    Procession: Entrance Antiphon (Jeremiah 3:5, might have been from BFW, not sure)
    Procession: O God Beyond All Praising (Proulx)
    Dialog: Chanted
    Kyrie: Mass XVI, sung with tropes by the deacon
    Gloria: A New Mass for Congregations (Andrews)
    Collect: Chanted
    Psalm: 110 (You are a priest, Guimont)
    Alleluia: Mode 6 Easter Lauds alleluia, w/ brass
    Gospel: Chanted by the deacon
    Litany: Chanted in Latin by a cantor (with bishop chanting bless/bless+sanctify/bless+sanctify+consecrate these chosen men)
    Laying on of Hands: Veni Creator, with a solo flute interludes between verses
    Investure: The Lord is my Shepherd (Murray)
    Kiss of Peace: Now Thank we All Our God
    Kiss of Peace: Chosen and sent by the Father (Lobe Den Herren)
    Offertory: Antiphon from Five Mystical Songs (RV Williams, Herbert)
    Preface: Chanted
    Sanctus through Amen: Mass for the City (Proulx)
    Praeceptis through Quia Tuum: Chanted in latin
    Agnus Dei: Holy Cross Mass (Isele)
    Communion Antiphon: Motyka (I will go to the altar)
    Recessional: Go to the World
    Postlude: Brass, not listed in program
  • BenBen
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    By the way, this morning, one of the new priests celebrated his Mass of Thanksgiving in Latin (OF), with fellow forum member Aristotle Esguerra chanting the gregorian propers for the votive Mass of the Holy Spirit. The Mass was mostly sung as well, including dialogs in latin, 2/3 readings and Fr. Zuhlsdorf was preaching. Fantastic.
  • chonakchonak
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    Here's the list from the cathedral in Boston (music director Leo Abbott).

    Psalms 23 and 100 and the Gospel Acclamation were taken from Hymns, Psalms, and Spiritual Canticles (ed. Marier).

    Introit: Sacerdotes eius (Graduale Romanum 1974, p. 448)
    Entrance Hymn: All Creatures of our God and King (Lasst uns erfreuen)
    Kyrie: Mass XVI
    Gloria: Mass VIII
    Resp. Psalm: Ps. 23 (A. Gregory Murray)
    Gospel Acclamation: (T. Marier)
    Litany: plainchant
    Laying on of hands: Veni Sancte Spiritus (chant, arr. Abbott)
    Amen: Dresden
    Investiture: Veni Creator Spiritus
    Anointing of Hands: Ps. 110 (Schiavone)
    Kiss of Peace: Ps. 100 (Marier)

    Choir Anthem: "Draw Us In The Spirit's Tether" (Friedell)
    Sanctus: Mass XVIII
    Memorial Acclamation: Roman Missal 2010
    Amen: Dresden
    Lord's Prayer (spoken, alas)
    Agnus Dei: Mass XVIII (arr. Abbott)
    Communion Hymn: "Jesus, My Lord, My God, My All" (Sweet Sacrament)
    Communion Hymn: "Hidden Here Before Me" (Adoro Te)
    Communion Anthem: "Ave Verum" (Mozart)
    Recessional Hymn: "O God Beyond All Praising" (Holst)
    Postlude: Grand Choeur Dialogué (Gigout)

    Thanked by 1Chris Hebard
  • marajoymarajoy
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    Cleveland, Ohio: Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist

    Entrance: All Creatures of Our God and King (Choral break-out verse: Bach's Jesu Joy
    Psalm: Christ the Lord a priest forever (You are a priest forever; Guimont)
    Litany: English plainchant
    Investiture: Heart of a Shepherd (Cooney)
    Fraternal Kiss: You are my friends forever (You are a priest forever; Guimont)
    Preparation: Simon Son of John (Willard F. Jabusch)
    Communion: Gift of Finest Wheat ( plus choral verses: My Shepherd Will Supply My Need)
    Song of Praise: Magnificat (chanted to psalm tone)
    Recessional: O God Beyond All Praising

    Mass (everything else not specifically mentioned): St. Paul the Apostle by Christopher Walker
  • Chris HebardChris Hebard
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    Cleveland and Boston had the some processional and recessional. Interesting.
  • Ruth Lapeyre
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    Detroit, Michigan: Cathedral of the Most Blessed Sacrament Saturday May 18, 2013

    Entance Procession: O God Beyond All Praising
    Introit: Dominus secus Mare Gregorian Chant
    Kyrie: Chant Mass VIII
    Gloria: Chant mass VIII
    Responsorial Psalm: The Lord is my Shepherd Ronal Kreisman
    Alleluia: O filii et Filiae
    Litany of Supplication
    Veni Creator Spiritus Gregorian Chant
    Psalm 100 Ralph Vaughn Williams
    Offertory: Sicut Cervus Palestrina
    Sanctus and Agnus Dei Richard Proulx
    Communion Antiphon: Hoc Corpus Gregorian Chant
    You Satisfy the Hungry heart Robert Kreutz
    Festival Te deum Benjamin Britten
    Recessional: All Creatures of Our God and King
    Thanked by 1Spriggo
  • ronkrisman
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    In the Madison ceremony:
    Litany: Chanted in Latin by a cantor (with bishop chanting bless/bless+sanctify/bless+sanctify+consecrate these chosen men)

    It is not clear from this description whether the bishop sang in English or not. If he did, why?

    Regardless, I'm not sure this is a good practice, for these reasons:
    1. The litany is as much (if not more so) being prayed for the bishop as it is for the ordinands.
    2. Having the bishop pray "bless/sanctify/consecrate" at this moment anticipates, and may diminish the importance of, the prayer of consecration.
    3. It may send the message that a "lowly" cantor should not be singing such important words as "bless, consecrate."
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  • Paul F. Ford
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    Is there a reason that the antiphons from the rite are being ignored?
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  • chonakchonak
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    Who knows? So far none of us posting are the responsible parties (music directors, diocesan officials).
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  • Paul F. Ford
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    The Veni Creator Spiritus is now reserved for episcopal ordinations.
  • ClemensRomanusClemensRomanus
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    Hmm... I didn't know that. Dr. Ford, would you be able to post the antiphons from the Rite?
  • ClemensRomanusClemensRomanus
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    Is there an (authentic) Gregorian chant for the Introit and Communion?
  • gregpgregp
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    Is there a reason that the antiphons from the rite are being ignored?

    The Question of the Century.
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  • BenBen
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    Fr Krisman, he sang those 3 lines of the litany in latin.

    I am not sure of the exact roots of the practice, but knowing him, I suspect it is an aspect of continuity, and it was found in the previous rites. I'm not really sure though, so I'll try and ask him when I see him soon.
  • chonakchonak
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    The Graduale Romanum lists options on p. 644:

    (I) Dominus fortitudo plebis suae
    (II) Dominus secus mare
    (III) Protector noster aspice
    (IV) Sacerdotes Dei, benedicite
    (V) Scio cui credidi

    (I) Bonum est confidere
    (II) Iuravit Dominus
    (III) Protector noster aspice

    (I) Confitemini... et invocate
    (II) Ego sum pastor bonus
    (III) Ego vos elegi de mundo
    (IV) Iuravit Dominus
    (V) Tu es sacerdos

    Sicut in holocausto arietum

    (I) Ego vos elegi de mundo
    (II) Hoc corpus quod pro vobis tradetur
    (III) Introibo ad altare Dei
    (IV) Lavabo inter innocentes
    (V) Qui mihi ministrat, me sequatur
    (VI) Simon Ioannis, diligis me
    And in Paschaltide:
    (VII) Data est mihi
    (VIII) Ego sum pastor bonus
  • BenBen
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    Also, I don't have a copy of the new edition of the English pontificale, but I know they used it Friday, maybe it's an option in there, since a new edition came out fairly recently. Maybe one of you office of worship types can fill me in?
  • BenBen
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    Is there a reason that the antiphons from the rite are being ignored?

    The Question of the Century.

    Is there a reason that the antiphons from the every Sunday's Masses are being ignored?
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  • chonakchonak
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    For what it's worth, the 2002 Roman Pontifical is online.

    [note: link is now broken.]
  • ClemensRomanusClemensRomanus
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    So, the Offertory is the same for ordinations to the Diaconate, and Presbyterate?
  • chonakchonak
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    Well, those lists in the Graduale appear under a Latin title about "conferring Holy Orders", and that's all it says. There may be specifics in other books that say other things.
  • Paul F. Ford
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    Here are the Latin Introits and Communions for Ordinations from the Missale Romanum 2002.
  • Chrism
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    Litany: Chanted in Latin by a cantor (with bishop chanting bless/bless+sanctify/bless+sanctify+consecrate these chosen men)

    This is the practice in the 1962 Ordinal:

    For the litany see Litany of the Saints (and for the music see the music supplement).

    After the invocation "That you grant eternal rest to all the faithful departed" the bishop stands and turns to the ordinands (who remain prostrate on the floor). Holding the crozier in his left hand and still wearing the mitre, the bishop chants or recites the following:

    That you bless + these elect. R. We beg you to hear us.
    That you bless + and sanctify these elect. R. We beg you to hear us.
    That you bless + and sanctify and consecrate these elect. R. We beg you to hear us.

    Then the bishop kneels again at the faldstool, and the chanters finish the litany up to "Lord, have mercy. Christ, have mercy. Lord have mercy," inclusive.

  • BenBen
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    Ah ha! I thought so! :) that's *exactly* what we did.
  • ronkrisman
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    For what it's worth, the 2002 Roman Pontifical is online.

    Chonak, is the URL you posted correct?
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  • chonakchonak
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    It was when I posted it!

    Sic transit . . . utilitas interretialis, I guess.
    Thanked by 1Heath
  • Tournemire
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    Here at the Cathedral in Oakland we had two seperate ordinations one week from each other. Prebyteral ordinations happened on May 18th. And we ordained and installed Bishop Michael C. Barber, SJ, a week later on May 25th. As with any diocesan events it's all about compromise. Below is our list

    Presbyteral Ordinations
    Prelude: Cortége et litani (Dupré)
    Choral Prelude: Ave Maria (James Biery)
    Entrance Hymn: Praise to You, O Christ, Our Savior (Farrell)
    Introit: Sacerdotes Dei
    Sprinkling: I Saw Water Flowing (Leo Nestor)
    Gloria: MassVIII
    Psalm: Bilingual (Spanish/English) Psalm 110: You are a priest... (Rudy de Vos)
    Gospel Acclamation: Alleluia (Gregory Murray)
    Gospel chanted by deacon
    Litany chanted
    Kiss of Peace: Christ Before Us (Suo Gân
    Choir Anthem: Behold, My Servant (Robert Parker)
    Offertory Antiphon: Sicut in holocausto
    Sanctus, Memorial Acclamation & Amen: Community Mass (Richard Proulx)
    Agnus Dei Mass VIII
    Communion Antiphon: Ego vos elegi
    Communion Motet: Ave Verum Corpus (Colin Mawby)
    Communion Hymn: That All May Be One in Christ Tri-lingual in Eng/Spanish/Vietnamese (Manalo)
    Recessional Hymn: O God, Beyond All Praising Thaxted
    Organ Postlude: Toccata (Widor)

    Episcopal Ordination (Brass & Timpani)
    Entrance Hymn: Church of God, Elect and Glorious Hyfrydol
    Entrance Antiphon Ecce Sacerdos (Elgar)
    Entrance Antiphon: Sacerdotes Dei (chant)
    Kyrie: Form C. Choir sings tropes and intones. (John Schiavone)
    Gloria: Heritage Mass (Alstott)
    Psalm: Bilingual (Spanish/English) Psalm 110: You are a priest... (Rudy de Vos)
    Gospel Acclamation: Alleluia (Gregory Murray)
    Hymn beginning Rite of Ordination Veni Creator Spiritus (chant)
    Litany chanted
    Kiss of Peace: The Living God My Shepherd Is Brother James' Air
    Choir Anthem: Behold, My Servant (Robert Parker)
    Offertory Antiphon: Sicut in holocausto (chant
    Sanctus, Memorial Acclamation & Amen: Heritage Mass (Alstott)
    Agnus Dei Heritage Mass (Alstott)
    Communion Antiphon: Simon Iohannis, diligis me plus his? (chant)
    Communion Motet: Ave Verum Corpus (Colin Mawby)
    Communion Hymn: That All May Be One in Christ Tri-lingual in Eng/Spanish/Vietnamese (Manalo)
    Hymn of Praise God We Praise You Nettleton
    Recessional Hymn Eternal Father, Strong to Save Melita
    Postlude Grand Choeur Dialogue (Gigout

  • cmb
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    Dr. De Vos,

    It was discussed on a previous thread, but let me offer again my compliments on the outstanding music at the Episcopal Ordination. As a self-diagnosed "liturgy nerd," I watch a lot of these Masses when they are posted on CatholicTV, and this was one of the best I've seen. One of the few (possibly the only one) I've seen use all of the Gregorian propers. Kudos on putting together a great program, and with only 22 days notice!
    Thanked by 1Ruth Lapeyre
  • Caleferink
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    Here's what I had to endure (I was simply in the pews for this one):

    May 18, 2013
    Diocese of St. Petersburg

    Musical forces: SATB choir, Vietnamese mixed choir, organ, piano, brass quartet, flute, bass guitar (w/ Vietnamese choir pieces only)
    Prelude: Vietnamese choir selection translated as "Overflowing Grace"
    Entrance: "Go Up to the Altar of God" (Chepponis)
    Sprinkling Rite: "Springs of Water Bless the Lord" (Trapp's adapt. of "Blessed Assurance")
    Gloria: "Melodic Gloria"
    Responsorial Psalm: Psalm 27 (Wilcox)
    Alleluia: "Festival Alleluia" (Chepponis)
    Litany of the Saints: Becker's revised setting
    Laying on of Hands: "Veni Creator Spiritus" - alternating chant and polyphony (whose setting I have no idea)
    Kiss of Peace: "Heart of a Shepherd" (Cooney)
    Offertory: a second Vietnamese piece translated as "A Sacrificial Love"
    Sanctus, Mysterium, Amen, Agnus: Mass of Wisdom (Janco)
    The Lord's Prayer: Warner's setting (I almost ran out of the church when I saw that)
    Communion: Vietnamese choir: "The Hymn of Priesthood"
    Communion: "Come and Share the Feast of the Lamb" (Trapp)
    Recessional: "Laudate, laudate Dominum" (Walker)

    Goes to show that while many places have taken to the RotR, many others have not.

    Incidentally, our bishop (who has been here forever) was one of the 5 (out of the 200+ US bishops present for that vote) who voted against the new translation of the Missal and isn't afraid to tell you. That's all I'll say -- you can probably figure out for yourselves how the liturgy in general is treated in this diocese.
  • BruceL
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    Please keep the Diocese of Birmingham in mind tomorrow: we ordain one of our own and two friars for the "EWTN Franciscans". Will post repertoire here later, but you may also watch on EWTN live at 12PM ET.
    Thanked by 1Ben
  • Chrism
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    So, does anyone have a copy of the recent Pontifical? If not, where can one purchase it?
  • chonakchonak
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  • melofluentmelofluent
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    My public apology to my friend Richard Chonak for my misunderstanding of whose words he defended, mea culpa.
  • That is the current pontifical. Mine was preordered from the moment it was announced, and when it finally came, the smell if ink was nauseating! I hate that's it's so expensive, and no study edition is available. Not everything in it has been fully updated yet, so it is a bit transitional.
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  • I wouldn't waste money buying a new pontifical at this point. As Marc says, the current one is "transitional." In other words, it's exactly the same as the old one except where the texts of the MR 3 have changed.

    I'd wait for the actual next edition before coughing up that kind of money, if you need one at all.
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  • BruceL
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    Folks, sorry to miss out on all the fun in SLC, but here is the menu for ordinations in Birmingham last Saturday. We pretty shamelessly picked the easier of the chants available (now I see we copied Rudy de Vos's unintentionally!) and recycled a lot of music from this past choral season (the choir and I are "newlyweds", so to speak, as of January). It is now on the EWTN youtube channel, too, although before throwing stones, I hope you know that they mic'ed the choir from around 6 feet away... St. Paul is a fantastic room, though you wouldn't know it from the recording. Also, this choir sang more or less no chant (and none from 4 line notation) before January, so I was particularly proud that they've made the progress they have in a short time. We don't have scholas set up yet, therefore the choir is singing the introit and communio weekly during choir season. This liturgy gave me a new admiration for duration in choirs: everyone was pretty worn out by the beginning of communion, which you hear in the Palestrina. Sadly (for the diocese, but perhaps happily for us) we don't have ordinations for a couple years now, so we have plenty of practice time...

    June 22, 2013: ORDINATIONS (Cathedral of St. Paul, Birmingham, AL)

    ENTRANCE: Praise, my soul, the King of Heaven (LAUDA ANIMA)
    “Priests of the Lord, bless the Lord…”; Sacerdotes Dei; Dan 3:57
    KYRIE: Mass VIII
    RESPONSORIAL PSALM: Ps 110: You are a priest forever (Gelineau)
    GOSPEL ACCLAMATION: Chant Mt 28:19a, 20b
    Go and teach all nations, says the Lord; I am with you always, until the end of the world.
    ANOINTING: O Holy Spirit Lord of grace (Tye)
    ANTIPHON DURING FRATERNAL KISS: Ps 100 (Weber option 2)
    OFFERTORY: “O clap your hands” (R. Vaughan Williams)
    "As a holocaust of rams..."; Sicut in holocausto; Dan 3:40
    MASS: Mass VIII
    "I have chosen you from the world…”; Ego vos elegi; Jn 15:16
    COMMUNION: Eat this Bread (Taizé); Ego sum panis vivus (Palestrina)
    POSTCOMMUNION: “How lovely is thy dwelling place” from A German Requiem (Brahms)
    CLOSING: Alleluia! Sing to Jesus (HYFRYDOL)
    VOLUNTARY: Grand Choeur Dialogue (Gigout)
  • BruceL
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    If that's the 2013 one, yes.
  • Tournemire
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    Thanks for the kind words cmb.

    BruceL, great that you were doing the latin propers! I just thought that Sacerdotes Dei really works well for Presbyteral Ordinations. The communion chants I chose corresponded to the Gospel reading. (Hence why we had two different communion chants for the presbyteral ordinations and for the bishop's ordination).
  • AndrewK
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    June 29, 2013: Ordinations for the Diocese of Fort Worth, TX

    The Liturgy was held at the recently completed Vietnamese Martyrs Parish in Arlington since the church is much larger than the Cathedral. Since the ordinations were celebrated on the Solemnity of Sts. Peter and Paul, all the propers were taken from that Mass.

    Entrance Hymn: Alleluia! Sing to Jesus
    Entrance Antiphon: Nunc scio vere (SEP)
    Mass Ordinary: Mass of St. Ralph Sherwin - Ostrowski
    Psalm: The angel of the Lord will rescue those who fear him (Chabanel psalmody)
    Gospel Acclamation: Festival Allelluia
    Litany of the Saints: Chant
    Ordination Liturgy: Antiphons from the Roman Missal 3rd Ed.
    Offertory Hymn: Hien Le Moi - Vietnamese Hymn (Sung by the Parish Choir)
    Communion Antiphon: Tu es petrus (SEP)
    Communion Hymn: Giao Uoc - Vietnamese Hymn (Sung by the Parish Choir)
    Motet: Ave Verum Corpus (Mozart)
    Meditation: Salve Regina
    Recessional Hymn: God we Praise You
    Thanked by 1BruceL
  • BenBen
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    Diocese of Madison, WI Transitional Deaconate Ordination
    August 10, 2013

    String Quartet, Piano, SATB choir

    String prelude
    Entrance Antiphon: John 12:26 (from the missal/ord. rite book, I believe)
    Processional Hymn: O God Beyond all Praising (THAXTED)
    Penitential Act: A
    Kyrie: spoken
    Gloria: A New Mass for Congregations (Andrews, 2010 rev)
    Collect: Sung
    Psalm: Blessed are they - Psalm 84 (Waddell, OCSO)
    Alleluia: Mode VI Easter lauds alleluia
    Litany: sung in Latin
    Motet during the ordination rite following on the Handing on of the Gospels: Ubi Caritas (Gjeilo)
    Offertory: Dear Lord and Father (M: Parry, T: Whittier)
    Preface: sung
    Community Mass (Sanctus, We Proclaim, Amen, Agnus Dei)
    Praeceptis, Pater, Libera Nos, quia tuum: Sung by all/celebrant
    Communion: I received the Living God (Cantor w/ strings and SATB choir alternating singing the verses)
    Communion: O Lux Beatissima (M: Helvey, T: Pentecost sequence)
    Recessional: Rejoice! The Lord is King
    String recessional (after the hymn finished and procession was going) and postlude
  • matthewjmatthewj
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    Just wondering... did the church not have an organ?
  • BenBen
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    They have one, but it's an ancient electronic organ. Wouldn't have surprised me if it had died. I wasn't really in the loop this time around, so not completely sure. The last couple Masses there they've used piano.
  • BenBen
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  • irishtenoririshtenor
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    Was this at SMG, Ben?
  • BenBen
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  • nknutson
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    and all these years later, the question remains.

    Understanding that many Ordinations would have historically used propers of the Saints, votives, etc. It is easy to see why the Propers as listed by the Pontifical and 2002 MR are not being used...they do not exist in regularly attainable Latin settings. When one finds them, it is discovered that they are in fact simplex style Office Antiphons!

    The Graduale options still remain the best options, as we continue to await the revised Pontifical.
  • nknutson
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