Heresy?
  • fcbfcb
    Posts: 339
    So now, if you want to understand the body of Christ, listen to the Apostle Paul speaking to the faithful: "You are the body of Christ, member for member." [1 Cor. 12.27] If you, therefore, are Christ's body and members, it is your own mystery that is placed on the Lord's table! It is your own mystery that you are receiving! You are saying "Amen" to what you are: your response is a personal signature, affirming your faith. When you hear "The body of Christ", you reply "Amen." Be a member of Christ's body, then, so that your "Amen" may ring true!
    --Augustine, Sermon 272


    The Church as the body of Christ is neither symbol nor metaphor, it is reality.
    Thanked by 4Adam Wood kenstb CHGiffen MatthewRoth
  • Chris Garton-Zavesky
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    Bred for the world...
    Whine from the world...

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  • Michael_ca
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    Thanks for the feedback!
  • David AndrewDavid Andrew
    Posts: 1,206
    Played a memorial Mass last week wherein the visiting priest replaced the "Behold the Lamb of God . . . " with, "Since Sharon has died and is with Christ, Christ now comes to us in these signs and symbols of his love, so we're blessed to be called to the Lord's table."

    Naw. No "heresy" here, folks. Just plain, old-fashioned Protestanization of the Faith.

    We don't DARE use the word "heresy" because it does upset some folk so.
  • melofluentmelofluent
    Posts: 4,160
    Hey brother!
    I'm wondering if the liturgical abuse (via substitution and improvisation) supercedes the arbitrarily discerned heresy and presumption from the celebrant?
    It is tiresome, though, for such lazy theology to be foisted upon the faithful just to soothe their sensibilities, and lull them potentially to complacency regarding actually praying for the disposition of all souls.
    Thanked by 1CHGiffen
  • CCoozeCCooze
    Posts: 1,259
    "To be your bread now, to be your wine now... to be your body once again."

    I heard this "hymn" at a local church, this past weekend. I was dumbfounded as to how those lyrics are deemed appropriate for Mass.

    I was teetering on the side of sacrilegious, rather than heretical, but, regardless, I'm so glad that this thread is here.
    Thanked by 1CHGiffen
  • bhcordovabhcordova
    Posts: 1,165
    Why not? The Church in Her wisdom has traditionally maximized the freedom of its members (and of its musicians) in matters not directly bearing on faith and morals. There's a reason for that: one guy in an office has just as much original sin as the rest of us. Unless that one guy happens to be the Pope, he doesn't automagically have the Magisterium on his shoulders. So he could very easily do more harm than good. Consider it a liturgical iteration of the principle of subsidiarity. We don't want somebody telling composers what to do musically. How do you know such a commission would support what you consider to be proper church music?


    You mean like they had in Europe for centuries??
  • Carol
    Posts: 856
    I never took the time to analyze this hymn, but knew I didn't like it. Reading down through all the above comments, I noticed "melofluent" and realized why I was so surprised when I saw pictures of Charles Culbreth. The little picture next to his screen name conveyed something so different than his actual pictures, especially playing bass! He will be missed here!
    Thanked by 3Incardination CHGiffen mattebery
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