Please explain option 3
  • lmassery
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    I was wondering if you all could please elaborate on what option 3 in the GIRM means.

    (3) a song from another collection of psalms and antiphons, approved by the Conference of Bishops or the Diocesan Bishop, including psalms arranged in responsorial or metrical forms

    What are some examples of this? Does this mean that choosing any psalm or antiphon to sing is a viable option? Thanks
  • I would think the LitPress "Psallite" fits here, the Tietze collection, ,various individual works and collections by published composers ie. Haas/Haugen/et al.
    I don't think that BY FLOWING WATERS would essentially be classified under 3, but under 1. Could be wrong.
  • DougS
    Posts: 793
    I think BFW is #2.
  • I don't think that the Haugen/Haas stuff would work since they have a bad habit of using "inclusive" language and paraphrasing the psalm.
  • GavinGavin
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    The reference to a metrical psalm would necessarily include paraphrases.
  • francis
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    I would question if any of the above have been "officially approved" except BFW. Can someone point me to the official approvals?
  • Psallite has the imprimatur of Bishop John Kinney of Saint Cloud, the ordinary of the diocese in which The Liturgical Press operates. It is lawful to use the Psallite collection for all the processional chants, as well as for the chants between the readings.
  • What has been specifically "approved by the Conference of Bishops", if anything?
  • eft94530eft94530
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    Extracted from one of my historical timeline posts Discussion 2034 ...
    http://musicasacra.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2034#Item_31
    1969-mar USCCB BCL Newsletter Vol 5 No 3
    USCCB decision confirmed by Holy See allows the use of similar collections of psalms
    and antiphons as substitutes for the present chants of Mass ...
    In English the principal collections of this kind are the Gelineau, Somerville, and Deiss psalms.
    The reason for this decision was to permit substitute texts to be used without waiting for
    the composition of musical settings of the antiphons of the Simple Gradual.


    You can see the entire quote in context in Discussion 3783 ...
    http://musicasacra.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=3783#Item_22

    And, as I was hoping to encourage in Discussion 1421 ...
    http://musicasacra.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1421
    the above and many other interesting details become more clear
    if only everyone would invest in a copy of
    Thirty-Five Years of the BCL Newsletter 1965-2000
    by USCCB
    http://www.usccbpublishing.org/productdetails.cfm?PC=294
  • Dear Paul, don't mistake my citation as a criticism, if that was the case. As you know, I'll likely become extremely familiar with its contents quite intimately and imminently. ;-) I was thinking of it more as a "resource" option, adjunct to other collections. Quite taken by the Mass setting, btw. Congrats, you had quite the kudos from a great number of priest-friends up here.
  • francis
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    With all due respect, does the imprimatur of a single bishop = the official approval of the USCCB? Isn't the approval thing WAY overlooked? Just asking serious questions here.
  • francis
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    and would the Psallite by any chance come out of TLP?
  • Maureen
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    Well. I'm not a canon lawyer and I really really fear to play one on the Internet. But.

    In canon law, bishops and councils of bishops have power. Primates of nations have authority, too. National or other conferences of bishops don't even exist as a legal entity. Individual bishops can agree to go along with what the conference decides, but that's the only power they have. All the bishops signing a piece of paper don't have more canon law legality than one bishop signing a piece of paper -- unless they call a council and sign the paper as council business, or unless Rome signs off on whatever they're doing. All the bishops but one signing a piece of paper (outside a council) can't compel that one bishop to go along with what they do, or his subjects. Rome can.

    OTOH, in the US, what one bishop approves for liturgical use and publication has usually been okay for subjects of another bishop to use, unless their particular bishop says No. Back in the old days, books often appeared multiple times from presses in the sees of multiple bishops in the US with multiple imprimaturs, but that doesn't usually happen now. If diocesan and archdiocesan bishops are approving hymnals specifically, it's not something a peon like me would hear about. I suppose the archdiocesan worship offices may submit some kind of whitelist sometimes, but I never see it in the diocesan paper or anything; and I don't think in the past it would have annoyed the bishop any, to go outside an approved list, as long as you didn't hit on anything definitely disapproved. So anything approved by one bishop in the US would probably be okay for subjects of other US bishops to use.

    But anyway, stuff like the GIRM only has force in the Archdiocese of Blankytown, USA, if some Archbishop of Blankytown signed on, or if Rome has signed onto it. Stuff that Rome hasn't mandated, the Archbishop of Blankytown can ignore whenever he feels like it. So if the USCCB bishops approve a book, it's exactly the same as if one bishop approved something, multiple times. If Rome mandates use of the book as submitted by the USCCB, that's different.
  • incantuincantu
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    The term "metrical psalms" does not presuppose a paraphrase. Gelineau psalmody is metrical and uses translations from the Jerusalem Bible and the Grail. The Genevan Psalter (of which there is a new, updated edition), in contrast, does make use of paraphrases.

    The introductory material in the original French editions of the Gelineau psalter makes it clear that these metrical psalms were intended to be used as proper processional chants. The English language version published by GIA would lead one to believe that they were intended to be used exclusively as Lectionary psalms, but that is not the case.
  • francis
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    Maureen.

    What I am saying is that we (music directors) do not know what is and what isn't approved by the authorities. I personally went to task to expose the erroneous theological content of a hymn that appeared in (I think it was the second edition) of G&P. I sent a letter to my Bishop at that time and then he directed me to send it to the publisher. I received a four page letter from the composer (MH) defending the suitability of the hymn. At that point I dropped the issue. When the next edition appeared, the hymn was gone. Don't know if it ever appeared in later editions--didn't feel like being the music vigilante after that, but I did feel slimed and discouraged that no one was reviewing the music that hundred and maybe thousands of parishes are purchasing and singing at the liturgy.

    So, if I hadn't of taken the time and measures to combat a hymn dedicated to earth worship, it may have remained in the hymnal for how long?

    Point is, there are no checks and balances for content that "receives approval" as this was a glaring example of anything goes with the big publishers of Catholic music. Of course, being a composer myself, I was pretty much writing myself out of the industry by doing this sort of thing, but then, who else was going to do it?

    So today, I am still not aware that anything has been officially approved. If it has, where is the white list so that we have a leg to stand on when it comes to blacklisting innapropriate selections?
  • incantuincantu
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    I submit that the Graduale Romanum, for example, is an approved collection of antiphons and psalms. Therefore, it is licit for me to sing Narrabo as the communion any Sunday of the year, although this would be considered option 3, and not option 1.
  • francis
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    Incantu

    I do believe the GR is an approved book. But I don't think anyone can produce a whitelist on 99% of music that is utilized in American Catholic parishes.