I'm not sure about Esperanto but maybe interlingua

I really don't know how to account for the lack of comment box action at the Cafe. The readership is very high.

Do you really think that I need to post more controversial things?

Non-discriminatory inculturization!

The Lord's Prayer in Interlingua:

Patre nostre, qui es in le celos,
que sia sanctificate tu nomine;
que veni tu regno;
que sia facite tu voluntate
in le celo como etiam super le terra.
Da nos pan nostre quotidian hodie,
e pardona a nos nostre debitas
como nos pardona los a nostre debitores,
e non duce nos in tentation,
sed libera nos del mal.

Something that EVERY bishop can vote on.

Imagine the meeting of the Bishops representing the countries where esperanto is the major language meeting to argue over the use of the word:

neesprimebla

"All against the word, neesprimebla, say NO."

Silence

"With no negative votes, the word is accepted."

Silence

"Let's break for lunch."

[I can see that esperanto was a bit easier to get approved than english.]

Ok, posted just now with extra zip in all directions.

I've had many people write and tell me that we should shut down Todd else no one will comment. I've known Todd for many years and while he does have a fiery internet personality, he is not entirely half baked in her views. I can almost regard him as a benefactor since he has helped me sharpen my own perspective after years of challenges. Challenges can be annoying but they can also be helpful.

I do wish that people could learn to ignore what they don't like or don't feel like grappling with at that moment. I think think this has ever hurt his feelings.

In any case, i'm just saying that I'm aware of this issue.

I would like to sponsor a ninja.

My frustration with Todd is that I don't really believe he buys into his own opinions half the time, but is just stirring the pot. It's hard enough to talk with people you have sincere disagreements with, but impossible when they're just tweaking your nose because they feel it needs tweaking.

Hey, maybe Todd could join the Benedictines.

Jeffrey, my respectometer for you continues to climb. I will make an extra effort to follow your advice.

Kathy might be on to some sort of a resolution. When Todd tweaks your nose, send back a wet willy. It could work, I mean laughter is the best medicine, even for cranky little Irishwomen like me.

I agree to a point with jeffry about the need to not be so thin skinned. the problem for me however is that the discussion isnt just an intellectual excersize. its something very impoortant to me so there is much emotion attached to the subject. while i relish good faith discussions and disagreements i have a problem with someone writing to get a rise especially when the "you all vs me" attitude comes condescendingly clear.
rightly or wrongly i percieve a fundamental lack of respect from todd, an attitude i deal with everyday at work and one i dont wish to deal with in the combox relm.

Carl-
What RSS reader do you use? Most of them have an auto-discovery feature that allows you to just type in the main site address.

I've been practicing my pig Latin

The direction this thread has taken overnight vexes me tremendously. As mentioned, frustration has also overwhelmed me in past discussions, and I have responded with mixed (self) results. But by focusing attention upon the person and the personhood of any individual here or elsewhere, we obfuscate or even obliterate the noble, Christian witness we claim to advance on the Church's behalf. Yes, we know the atmosphere and climate in Liturgyland is heated and toxic; how does decrying the dignity (even if it appears warranted) of another soul remediate that reality in any truthful way?
And the chasm between the poles of P/T and MS/CC will WIDEN. And, speaking only for myself, there is "no smaller, purer church" whose voice alone speaks for the Body of Christ.
As my pastor occasionally remarks to me, "We have our own Talibans" in the Church. Do the math.
For myself, I signed onto CC because of its elegant/simple notion: a place for chant enthusiasts to meet and discuss liturgy and life. I know, from personal experience, that there are many unheard-from voices who can no longer listen, hear and deliberate our POV because most of us have been unable to concentrate upon staying on point. It doesn't matter if that was made difficult or seemingly impossible because of others' rhetoric, if we feel called upon to fraternally correct error, it should always be focused upon the ideas at hand, not any presumed intent or semantical device inwhich that error was advanced.
I want you all to know that I'm directing this, my sermonizing, at myself. I am often disposed to lose my head when others around me do not. It is not a pleasant condition. And I have many people, mostly women (from my wife, choir friends and my beloved comrades in CMAA), who serve as examples of tolerance, understanding and above all, love.
Can we return to our normal programming, please?
I find the sharing of music that is burgeoning here to be most exciting.

charles
i hear you and for the most part agree. however there is a reason i dont contribute over at chant cafe and if were to talk about that then certain personalities have to be talked about. that is the topic of this thread is it not...why more peoiple arent sharing over there?

Unen benfito ov mi lingua-proposee: de "Todd," nos secreto-fecere.
Si nos-toto learnen ta scrib e rid e talktalk, abutt non-unas informan "Todd" re:InterEspantolatifakefake,
o-nay ore-may an-cay e-hay other-bay us-ay.


I should stop....

I'm not saying Todd is a troll, but the usual way to to deal with trolls is to stop feeding them. Stop responding to them, and they go away eventually. (Disclaimer: I honestly believe that all trolls are really really good people. My attitude is totally NTTAWWT with them.)

Regarding the snark directed at NLM: I would like to pile on: Comment discussions there are less lively today then during JT's time, although Fr. Stravinskas had some surprisingly strong words last week about the maniple in the OF. Nevertheless, they really deliver the goods with their annual pretty-in-pink photo spreads around Gaudete Sunday.

Ah, Kathy, asking a man to...change?

Silly concept.

If some people wanted to be loved, they'd try harder to get along.

There is an angel here (undoubtedly closely related to Fulton Sheen's blackboard eraser-wielding one) that deletes offensive postings, which has undoubtedly kept me on this list.

There are those that post to vex me and I am learning to drop out and go away. Haven't learned yet, but trying.

See, I've just done it again.

I used to read ALL the Catholic liturgy blogs, from NLM to Gotta Sing, Gotta Pray, and everything in between (mutual enrichment).
But- I found I spent way too much of my day reading and writing on blogs instead of doing anything actually productive. When JT left NLM for CC, I decided that was a good time to divest myself. I also stopped reading and commenting on blogs in my day-job field (web design/marketing/social media/software dev). I was up to over 150 blogs I kept up with (yes, really- I used Google Reader to keep myself organized).

I am now down to only one blog in any area of interest: The Chant Cafe.

charles
I really hear you concerning the really smart peole over at chant cafe (which by the way, i count you among them) but strictly for me i am simply too old to get emotionally charged over a combox comment. when i do i feel a sense as if ive been "caught" yet again in a grand waste of time.
i think nlm has been and continues to be an important contributor to the ongoing renewal. i think we are still too small a movement to not utalize all the web has to offer. plus it really does have far and away, the best looking pictures.

I suppose....I better change the channel.

Makes you watch Fox news? Well, if you economize by not paying for novocain, maybe they thought Fox would distract you from the pain.

hmmm, wow, that's a great summary of many years of reading!

The RSS reader that I use (snownews) stopped working with the Chant Café after the article ‘The Dierschow Recordings of Colloquium XX’, but I find the web-blog interesting enough that I still visit it the old fashioned way!

I really wish Tucker would return back to NLM.... Nobody has gained from the chant cafe. I have little interest in checking out NLM anymore and I don't really have any interest in reading the Chant Cafe. I think the great thing about NLM was that everything was under one roof and that the commentators were nuts. You could read people arguing over vestments in one thread, talking about the glories of an Introit in the next thread, and then a debate about the validity of something in the third thread. It was a plethora of excellence...

Now I just feel empty inside when reading either NLM or CC.

Didn't know OCP had a site. Ignorance is bliss! :)

It is encouraging to read that since Jeffrey has left NLM that all the commentators have regained their sanity! Jeffrey, unfortunately, seems to have not found his yet, but there is hope.

Part of the confusion may be that some think that Jeffrey leapt from the building but rather he, like HD, was pushed.

Noel, I wish I could understand your message above. There are two sentences and I can't follow either. Can you state what you mean more plainly?

I think everyone, from Mr. Tribe to Mr. Tucker, need to see that a combined English blog on the New Liturgical Movement on everything from chant to vestments is in the best interest. Without Tucker, NLM has a huge hole where Tucker's music articles used to be. Without NLM, Tucker's articles have a huge hole in the lack of the vibrant commenting group of the NLM.

It would be in the best interest of all if the two groups would come to a new agreement... Perhaps with Tucker's articles appearing both on Chant Cafe and NLM.

I read, but I rarely comment anymore about much of anything. As some others have said, I don't have the time or the psychic energy.

Todd is simply Todd - and I wouldn't want him to turn into someone else. There are people all across the liturgical spectrum who drive me nuts occasionally, some always. And I'm sure I return the favor for many.

Occasionally I look at the pictures on NLM, but I never read the comments because they always seem to deteriorate into some fine point of maniple attachment or some such.

Right now my favorite blogs are all monastic, giving me an encouraging view into the hidden lives that keep the world in motion. Those and a very select set of music, mostly non-liturgical, blogs are more than enough.

Heck, I have harps to tune, music to arrange, and a desire to watch Anthony Bourdain on Netflix.