yes to composing.

OF: Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, aka "Novus Ordo"
EF: Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, aka "Tridentine Mass"
SSPX: Society of St. Pius X, a schismatic traditionalist group
AGO: American Guild of Organists
DOM: I'm guessing stands for Director of Music, although I use MD, Music Director
CPDL: Choral Public Domain Library, an internet site containing thousands of scores of choral music for free download

LOL

Well, there's nothing like everyone being helpful all at once, now is there!

Jevoro...

My husband's family is from Trier... I learned the "Platt-Deutsch" from my husband's family... maybe it is somewhat similar?

I even don't know what Pews does mean... Should have a look for some dictionnary if i'll persevere here...
LOL? Even european people knows now that it is meaning lots of laughing...

With my german friend from near Trier i speak in my platt and he does in his one and we agree... Trier was quite important for the Caecilienverein, Hermesdorff, influenced by the french restaurator Lambillotte, began publishing an interesseting Graduale before Solesmes and was the teatcher of Peter Wagner. But he could not finish the publication, he was too ill...

Jevoro,

Welcome! One of my great-great grandmothers was from Niederfeulen, and I also have ancestors from Eschdorf, Brouch, and one of the Boevanges (which one, I haven't figured out yet). I had the opportunity to visit Luxembourg some eight years ago to do genealogical research, and may I say that you live in a beautiful country! :-)

DOM could also refer to the title of Benedictine religious brothers, as in Dom. Gagne

believe me, we've explore this at incredible length. just not possible until there is some change at the copyright holding institution.

Jeffrey is probably "geared up" for Colloquium year round! If you've never been to one, you should try it. The point is that there is as much information exchanged casually after midnight as there is formally around noon-time!

definition : geared up

energized about everything that he is involved with.

"Jeffrey is probably "geared up" for Colloquium year round! If you've never been to one, you should try it. The point is that there is as much information exchanged casually after midnight as there is formally around noon-time!"

Post warning: the following comment is likely neither intelligent nor civil.

Ditto cubed to the above quote. My first was last summer. We nightly solved most of the liturgical, theological, socialogical, political, and metaphysical problems that vex the universe and mostly in our churches; oh, and music dilemmas too! MaryAnn from San Diego and a nice young priest with military experience were of particular value to the processes.
Trouble is, by evening's end as we wandered randomly off to the cold floors of the dorm rooms (I'm gonna do a Jeff Keyes this year with my wife, a suite in the nearest hotel!) the wine kicked in and we had to start over the next evening.
Assuming we'll follow the same protocols in Chicago, I think that it might be useful, knowing in advance we won't remember our nightly, elegant solutions and resolve, that we erect a facsimile of the famous "Burning Man" structure down by lakeside, only we'll add a real guitar (I'll bring one of mine if no one else offers,) and then set it alight after evensong of the penultimate day, whaddy'all say?
P.S. We can chant the Pie Jesu ala the Pythons and overlay "Sons of God" while it burns, and then launch into Te Deum upon its collapse!

Charles,

I'll sing the Pie Jesu, but for some strange reason I'm having misgivings about us smacking ourselves in the head with wooden boards.... :-D

Dear Friend Jevoro,
The "Burning Man" phenomenon in the US is basically a hedonistic free-for-all gathering of old hippies, druggies, bikers and neo-pagans somewhere in the desert outside of Las Vegas, Nevada. They erect a large wooden structure that resembles a human and torch it. Gives them a reason to engage in massive substance abuse and rampant nudity.
Ergo, NO, we don't engage in such facetious or fetish-laden practices at CMAA colloquia. We're just occasionally facetious here on the boards!
Think of the neo-Druids at Glastonbury and Stonehenge in the UK on Solstice nights, parading around like satyrs and muses. That sort of stuff might happen at the Anaheim RE congress or at NPM events, not at CMAA.:-p

Hi Chris:

Tell us, please, about the current state of RCL in France. I have heard no one attends Mass there. Is that true?

Oooh, a guitar burning? Count me in!
(Before anyone get his knickers in a knot, I'm not serious, I love guitar...)
Chris, one of my brothers says he loves it on the rare occasions when his parish coir sings chant, but regrets that he cannot overcome the urge to smack himself in the head with a hymnal while listening to it.

(Save the liturgy, save the World)

Chris:

The Ego Sum is 24 hours new and you may have been the first to hear it. I really like the way that one turned out. (thanks incantu for the suggestion!) Those ancient texts are just unbeatable, and I think the Cherubim and Seraphim use those latin translations up in heaven for their liturgies!

Hi Jevoro:

No. I have been wading through book after book for the past couple of years, purchased a few, go online, etc. and I don't find anything that is compact and straightforward. Can you direct me to this work?

I'm not competent on this (very difficult, uncompact, incohaerent) question, i'm afraid.
J'ai bien peur de ne pas être compétent pour ces questions difficile et imprécis sur les modes.
The eight modes is/was a classification (in two senses: get the music become classical, input the music in the eight classic grec modes and so class the pieces of music for psalmody) of unclassified (in both senses) music in the carolingian reform (around 800).
Les huit modes, sont une classicification qu'ont subi les pièces de chant grégorien (au plus tard) lors de la renaissance carolingienne. Classification dans deux sens, si l'on veut: Ces pièces de musiques sont classées en huit modes pour pouvoir enchainer le psaume dnas le bon mode, et cette musique et rendue classique en l'adaptant à cette grammaire ou ce langage musical.
Dom Clair speaks of primitives modes bevore. A little bit like in the ambrosian music: The note of recitation (dominante) (his position in the diatonic game) is important, and less the finale. So there are three mother-recitations: "cordes mères". C (Ut/do, but also fa (with Si bémol, and sol (with fa dièze)) D (re, sol with si bémol and la (eventually with fa dièze)) and E (mi, la with si bémol and si).
C'est Dom Cardine qui parle de modes primitifs avant cette classification: Mode de Do (C), de Re (D) et de Mi (E). La Finale est moins importante dans cette classification. Mais la note de récitation, et sa position dans la game diatonique, position relative au demi-ton est déterminante. Si le demi-ton se trouve en dessous de la note de récitation, la corde mère de récitation est Do (C), c'est le cas de Do (C) bien sûr ou Fa (F). Si le demiton se trouve juste en-dessus, on est en Mi (E), c'est le cas des cordes de récitation de Mi (E) de Si (h) et de La (A)(avec si bémol). Et si le demiton se trouve à un ton au-dessus de la récitation, on est en Re (D). C'est le cas de Re (D), ou Sol (G avec si bémol) et La (A).
One of the best examples this researches explain is the Resurrexi-introïtus of Easter going quite wrong with the actual mode it has been classified in. It never recites on his modally imposed dominante.
Un des meilleurs exemples de pièces grégoriennes échappant/étranger à la classification en huit modes, et mieux compréhensible avec les modes primitifs de Dom Claire, c'est le Resurrexi de Pâques qui ne récite jamais sur la note de récitation que lui attribuerait le mode dans lequel il a été classé à cause de sa finale...

Besides that, if you polyphony on the modes, you put them (affront them with) a language quite strange for them. Some modes accomodate well with polyphonie (V (introduce some si bémol) and VIII (introduce some fa dièze) assimilable on majors/dur and I and II (introduce somme do dièze) assimilable to minors/moll), but the modes invertising the chromatical sensible (mode IV and III with their love in fa-mi do-si instead of the sensibility of classical polyphonie: si-do and mi-fa) are quite incompatible with classical polyphonie...
Si on veut harmoniser (fair jouer de la polyphonie classique sur) les huit modes, on les affronte à un langage musical, en majeur et en mineur, qui leur est particulièrement étranger. Il y a quelques modes qui s'en accommodent très bien. Le Ve (avec si bémol) par exemple et le VIII (avec une petite sensible de fa dièze) passent facilement pour des tons majeurs. Ou le I et II mode (avec une sensible en do dièze) passent pour des mineurs. Mais les modes III et IV avec leur prédilection pour une sensible chromatiquement invertie (do sensible vers si et fa sensible vers mi au lieu de si sensible vers do ou mi sensible vers fa) sont assez incompatibles avec les tonalités de la polyphonie classique... (Faudra aller voir du côté de Debussy)

(little remark on your "Ego sum": Quite strange, the underlying text in the middle: "Ego sum panis vivus; manducaverit." (I'm the living bread; he eat: it doesn't work in latin that doesn't mean: I'm the living bread that he (somebody) eat) Does the music (de)serve the text or is the text a pretext (de)serving for the music?)

Hope you will be able to translate my broken english in somme correct one.

francis, it's 3rd person singular, either the future perfect indicative active or the perfect subjunctive active (my memories of Latin conditional statements are very fuzzy). But the subject of the verb is 'quis' (shortened from 'aliquis' after 'si'). Anyway, 'shall eat' is close enough.

No, 3rd person singluar, not 2nd, so "he/she/it will eat" rather than "you will eat". "(Ali)quis" means "whoever" or "anyone who". So being more literal, "si quis manducaverit ex hoc pane" means, "if anyone shall eat of this bread", and "vivet in aeternum" continues as "he will live forever".

"Ego sum panis vivus ad manducandum" would may be mean "I'm the bread you shall eat." But that changes all the text.

Sorry for my english, too... see the french translation of what i wanted to say inline soon (i know, you like inlines, francis...)

Very good, my dear scholars. It seems that the word by itself is a complete thought on its own, yes?

Another scholar joins the frey! We welcome your input, G.

Could you help decide what would be the proper phrase of latin without any alterations in the original text (see above)?

How about

Si quis manducaverit

Thank you Jevoro for sticking with me to work this out!

what about

si qui manducarerit

I want to beg the question,

who would eat?!

This would be a play on the words, as when jesus ran into difficulty when he said, "unless you eat of my flesh...", and then everyone thought he was crazy. "How can we eat your flesh?!" Therefore, the words would be asking if anyone would eat... who would eat? who would eat? who would eat?

(we should have stuck all this collaborating under the right thread... It really didn't belong on this post. I wonder if Jeff can move our chicken scratch over under the Ego Sum thread. Jeff?)