Advent Vespers
  • Kathy
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    The Pope's Vespers for the First Sunday of Advent can be heard live on Vatican Radio. Right now they are coming up to the reading.
  • Kathy
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    Oh, and the TV feed is being carried by EWTN.
  • Michael O'Connor
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    Alas... a reading during Vespers. Rev Bugnini, what have you wrought?
  • chonakchonak
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    It was good to hear the cantor singing his part of the psalms well and modestly. Now, if only the other men in the choir had a pleasant sound like that, 'twould be a fine thing.
  • Jeffrey MorseJeffrey Morse
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    Michael, am I missing something? There has always been a reading (Capitulum/Little Chapter) at Vespers and indeed all the hours at least since the 6th century, and probably long before. Though I must say, It SHOULD have been SUNG at the Vespers this evening. However, the OFFICE HYMN is always rather jarring coming at the beginning and not as the natural "bridge" between the Old Testament and psalms and the New Testament and the MAGNIFICAT. Now that WAS a break with tradition, and one which Bugnini most likely had a part.
  • Dan F.Dan F.
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    Can a recording of this be viewed anywhere on the web?
  • mjballoumjballou
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    The shift in the office hymns at Morning and Evening Prayer (aka Lauds and Vespers) was intended to put them in the same position as the hymn at the Lesser Hours. Yes, it seems misguided. However, all I ask is that the appropriate office hymn be sung and not something out of the back of "Christian Prayer."
  • Michael O'Connor
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    Jeffery, yes, but the "little chapter" is not a "reading" in our modern sense of the longer reading, which really has no place in Vespers. Other offices, yes, but not Vespers. The current LotH diminishes the psalm singing, which was the central act of the Traditional Vespers. But, I have to admit that you are correct in your correction ;-)

    The greatest damage to Vespers IMO is the allowance for a sermon.
  • dvalerio
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    > The shift in the office hymns at Morning and Evening Prayer (aka Lauds and Vespers) was
    > intended to put them in the same position as the hymn at the Lesser Hours.

    > Now that WAS a break with tradition, and one which Bugnini most likely had a part.

    By the way, as far as I know the first time this was done in the Roman Rite was in Cardinal Quiñonez's Breviary (which you may find here). This attempt at breviary reform from the 1530's was reversed after the Council of Trent. The current LOTH merely copied this idea.
  • Michael O'Connor
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    Yes, as I recall, the Quiñonez Breviary had the same goal - ease of use for priests. Rome was right to reject it then.
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