Yes, along with using real bullets.

Get your head out of the foxhole! (typed with a smile)

Well, it would bankrupt OCP to do this, as they get $0.99 for each song.

Bankrupt....that reminds me, why did the assets of OCP not appear in the bankruptcy of that diocese?

Some one, perhaps the actual military personnel in the field, should contact the Office of the Archdiocese for the Military Services. If there are supplies necessary for the deployed personnel, they should take care of it. Maybe more of us should contribute to them, since they are not our Diocese, but the Military. Maybe we should offer whatever CMAA can to them, even through the Archdiocese. Maybe that's even a good thing for CMAA to do within RC Church politics.

The best part is....downloads cost OCP nothing...so the $0.99 is for Intellectual Property.

If there is shame to be issued, it should not be on OCP. Neither is there any inhumanity involved. Simply, most likely, a low level clerk who is unaware of their corporate policies.

According to my OCP contact: "We'll be happy to send them some mp3s. We get lots of similar requests from our service people overseas and are glad to help in this small way."

So let's tone down the rhetoric a bit. These are real people trying to do the best they can according to their abilities. Get me LTC Fabrizio's address and I'll pass it along and let them work things out directly. Forgive me for being reluctant to provide my contact's email, but under the tenor of the title given this thread, I think that it should be understandable.

Priorstf,

Standing up for OCP? Well, let me enlighten you. This person, when asked permission to copy hymns for a choir that was short on 4 part choral books from OCP and broke and knowing that the church had an annual account for at least 600 books, denied that permission....The choir had reached 46 members, only had 25 of the OCP Choral Comprehensive books and were getting complaints from members who did not have access to music for their parts.

At that point the director of music had been paying for all music and copying for the choir personally for 10 months...

So that permission was denied, but this person kindly offered to send the church, at no charge for the books or shipping, 45 copies of The Choir Book.

"The Choir Book is a favorite choir resource, with 144 traditional hymns set in two and four-part arrangements." Price $5 each.

Free.

Paying customers.

Having had that experience, I thought this was the person to contact. And notice my careful wording, "Great! Now since these are American soldiers who can authorize free downloads for them?"

I didn't ask her to do it, just wanted to know who could do it.

Come to think of it, if they are active military using the Heritage Hymns, then they ARE customers. Something's just not right about this.

Active military in the line of fire.

My sole interest in this is getting music to a military unit overseas. If that is yours, please send me the colonel's address.

[I've just been accused, off list, of keeping music from the soldiers in Iraq and told that the ball is in my court.]

I'm confused. I thought I was trying to get them the music they want. Possibly did not have enough coffee this morning.

agree that a rush to judgement is not in order. Not charitable. Not necessarily accurate. A bit snarky to boot.

The internet is not really the place to OUT people, other Christians especially, especially before all other channels are exhausted, especially as it is just too easy to do that and the damage of an "overshoot" is a real possibility.

I don't feel sorry for any Christians that are not resourceful enough to do without Rory for a weekend or two. I lead a military base music group/service for a while. Stop the crocodile tears. Where is the chaplain in all of this. What about PD and other Catholic resources. What is this crazed hate for this liberal bunch in Oregon, who are slipping in the polls. C'mon man, you are better than that.

If anything, couldn't we do something to get them access to just the least-bad OCP material? :-)

"Anthem" by Tom Conry? Isn't there a Geneva Convention rule against that?

Some of what you say is correct, FNJ,

but they are being watched and criticized and they are not going to continue to be the "force" they have been, barring a sea change in their mindset and modus operandi. They are thus "slipping in the polls." They are liberal, yes? and maybe a bit "crazed," yes? as they grew to their point of preeminence in crazed times..Oh sorry, it was you with the crazed hate, oh well, takes one to know one... Their time, be they or you crazed or not, is wrapping up..

Don't know if we can say technically that they are "owned" by the RCC, though it is probably not totally inaccurate to say that, either. That was news to me.

Yes, non committal - berry much so... But not making sense? Well it does make sense to say it does not not make sense, though you might not say it makes sense; makes sense? By the way, who's on first?

That just means that I don't have the time nor inclination to find out the technicalities of church "ownership" of "not for profit" corporationsm. though indeed, you may be right. That would indeed surprise me and add another layer of meaning to reform of the reform, liturgical abuse, etc. There are priests, bishops and cardinal on their BOD, so they may or may not technically "own" this entity. Lawyers? Chime in.

Chonak
Anthem" by Tom Conry? Isn't there a Geneva Convention rule against that?

That is one of the funniest things I have seen on the internet in some time. I am not sure about Geneva, though it sounds right, but I think that the ASPCA has it in its anti cruelty manifesto that "Anthem" not be played in the vicinity of canines and other animals with sensitive hearing, though I guess frogs are not on the list. Just kidding!!!

Yes, it's playing is cruel and constant punishment to Catholic ears.

Sans your assistance with an address I contacted Lieutenant Colonel Fabrizio's unit and have put them in direct contact. I believe that they will have the music they need.

By the way, it's not a "friend" at OCP. (The only person I know who was ever at any of the big 3 publishers is a former editor now a diocesan cathedral choir director.) In this case I made a simple 30-second phone call, asked whom I might speak to about the situation, stated the case clearly, and got an instant positive response. It seemed so much easier this way.

'why did the assets of OCP not appear in the bankruptcy of that diocese?'
A question I've long wondered as well, FNJ.

Maybe someone here could shed some light on this.