Pange Lingua during Communion?
  • Mailbox
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    Do you think it appropriate?

    The main reason I'd like to choose it is because, during communion, we are presented with the Body of Christ. It seems to me perfectly sensible to sing a chant that precisely praises the Eucharist.
    I'd probably not sing the last two verses as they are very tied up with Benediction. Perhaps I'd only sing Vs 1 and 4 to not be too connected to Maundy Thursday.

    Thoughts?
    Thanks in advance :)
  • Seems no worse than any other chant in honor of the Blessed Sacrament.

    So short answer, yes.

    Slightly longer answer, I think there is a hierarchy of preferable music during communion. These are just my own musings:

    1. Proper chant of Communion antiphon
    2. Other chants/polyphony which repeat/build on the antiphon, or texts which are closely tied with both the Blessed Sacrament and liturgical day
    3. Other chants/polyphony in honor of the Blessed Sacrament
    4. Other chants/polyphony "themed" for the liturgical day/season, which do not have to do with the Blessed Sacrament

    So in an ideal world, I would majorly overthink each liturgical day, and plan something like follows:

    - Proper Communion chant
    - Verse (or two) from Versus Psalmorum et Canticorum (the book of psalm verses to sing with Communion Antiphons ad libitum)
    - Polyphonic setting of the antiphon carefully pitched to flow naturally from the verse
    - Repeat of verses and alternation of chant antiphon/polyphonic setting, maybe a couple of times, but not so much that it gets boring (I think there's a fine line)
    - If time allows, a motet (or chant) or two which ties into both the propers and the Blessed Sacrament

    Now, this may seem slightly impossible, but it's not. I've found polyphonic settings of the Communion antiphon which actually work with the chant antiphon and verses, sung acapella, respecting ranges and everything. I would also ask a competent organist to fill in any gaps with tasteful improvisation. I would have acapella music as the default, but occasionally ornament the singing with organ for special occasions (it should be a special spice, not a crutch. The organ is welcome to have its own voice and be used for preludes and postludes throughout the year without constantly being tacked onto the singing).

    Sorry for the rant, hope something's helpful.
  • davido
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    Sure, any of the 6 verses of the Pange lingua are appropriate for singing at communion.
  • MatthewRoth
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    I think that I find office hymns as such a little odd for communion. I don’t mind a motet such as a polyphonic/homophonic Tantum ergo. Looking back I wanted to use a special tone of the Ave Maris Stella, so we did that after the proper, but it wasn’t ideal. I felt that if they wanted a Gregorian hymn, they needed to come to Vespers.

    We stick to two verses and then there’s a motet and maybe more… tbh it’s too much. One proper, one motet. I would then switch to organ or to silence.
  • Yes, it must be remembered first and foremost that "hymns" properly speaking, have their place in the Office, and on very rare occasions in the Mass. Devotional hymns (particularly those in the vernacular) and Office hymns are really two different animals, and simply referring to "hymns" causes some confusion.

    For many parts of Mass (at least in the EF) we have assigned music; the Church tells us what we are to sing. But some places there are no assignments, and then it is a matter of (good) taste.

    Many of us are in different situations, so what is "good taste" may vary depending on the local customs we are starting from. I would personally reserve the Pange Lingua for the times it is prescribed: the Office and processions of the Blessed Sacrament (Holy Thursday, Corpus Christi, Christ the King) that way the community can build up and maintain the strong connect of the hymn with the moments of the liturgical year most intimately tied to Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. But if you are building up from a situation devoid of true tradition, singing the Pange lingua as a Communion piece for a while is far from bad. It begins to build the association of the hymn with the Sacrament, and it gets the people used to the sound of a hymn which is a dear part of their rightful heritage. The text St. Thomas wrote is utterly appropriate for the Sacrament. If the proper Communion antiphon is impossible (for now), the Pange Lingua sure beats what's sung most places, and is absolutely a step in the right direction.

    So depending on where you're at, your best options may vary. Even if you have to start small, don't be afraid to dream big; God will provide the resources in His good time!

    We stick to two verses and then there’s a motet and maybe more… tbh it’s too much. One proper, one motet. I would then switch to organ or to silence.

    Ha! Our schola does the antiphon a couple of time, and then the choir sings about four motets/pieces each Sunday, constantly rotating. I certainly find it a bit tiring. I would say we need more quality over quantity, but most of the time the quality's not awful, it's just exhausting. Could perhaps use a slightly lighter touch.
  • MatthewRoth
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    I am fine repeating the proper with verses but big one, slightly longer or more complex motet and then retire to silence in Advent and in Lent or the organ the rest of the time.
  • smt
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    Correct me if I am wrong, but ... in my experience when you want to stick to the propers you need to use chant nearly always. Even in in the renaissance composer preferred pious "non-canonical" texts for their music (i.e.: something beyond the gradual, sth more emotional). Endeavours as Byrd's Gradualia are big exceptions - and tbh although Kerry McCarthy is always keen to highlight the musical and artistic value of Byrd's Gradualia I'm not always convinced. A few compositions from it made it into regular repertoire (with some prominent exceptions).

    What I want to say: I'm not completely convinced whether polyphonic propers actually work - musically, also liturgically. After communion is classical place for a motet. A motet at this place should have a connection to the day or to communion, but is free besides that. I don't see a major problem to use an office hymn there, but some advantages:

    * many more compositions to choose from, as office hymns were a popular genre
    * text: we present some of the most beautiful gems of Christian poetry to the faithful
  • in my experience when you want to stick to the propers you need to use chant nearly always.

    If you mean there is an actual rubric forbidding what I've suggested, I'd like to see it so that I know what fallacies to stop spreading. If you just mean that you don't think it works well, that's a fair opinion, which I happen to disagree with.

    In the EF, I think there is usually time to have all of the chant antiphon, polyphonic antiphon, and additional motet. In one place (I think it was the Liber) I remember reading a suggestion for the Communion Antiphon to be sung with verses during the distribution, and then let the choir sing a motet during ablutions. There is generally time for a piece during ablutions, as long as it's not to long (depending on the speed your priest goes at). What I'm imaging is basically taking that idea of antiphon during distribution and motet after, and then just adding some variety to the repetition of the antiphon. Of course, how long the distribution lasts will have a tremendous impact on the musical options (if our parish had two priests, communion would be twice as quick).

    As far as availability of settings which work well for this, it does take some searching, but I'm convinced that many such settings can be found (or composed). One example would be Ravanello's Pascha Nostrum, which can begin on the chord of the final of the chant. I would love to use his motet alongside the beautiful Communion Antiphon on Easter, and then still sing another motet during ablutions.

    Now, I'm not advocating this idea as a universal practice to be implemented every Sunday. I just think it's something that is a nice option and people should think about. I would find a version of the antiphon for three equal voices, for a schola of all men or all women.

    But regarding polyphonic propers in general, I wouldn't advocate for them indiscriminately. I would view them as special spice, like organ accompaniement, ison drones, organum, etc. Acapella chant is the default, but tastefully added spices on occasion can improve the dish. We just don't want to be pouring a pound of salt on everything. I think the Communion is the best proper for a polyphonic setting, because that time usually needs music much longer than the single antiphon. Ditto for the Offertory, but the Offertory has special verses of great musical value, and those should be the starting point imo. But arrangements incorporating some variety (a polyphonic respond, etc) could be quite nice. I wouldn't advocate for any polyphonic propers that would result in the complete omission of the chant. I might do a polyphonic Introit for the repeat, but not the first time. I might do a drone on the gradual verse, but sing the respond in simple unison. Maybe harmonize the Alleluia jubilus, but leave the rest alone.

    But I don't believe that there's any good "one size fits all" approach. Different points of the liturgical year lend themselves better to different types of repertoire, some times make better use of silence, sometimes the organ may use its voice and sometimes not. I tend to think of music planning as a very fine art which requires careful balancing and good taste. But the further down the rabbit hole I go, the further I stray from the original topic, so sorry about that...
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  • MatthewRoth
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    For what it’s worth, I think that the proper should mostly be chanted; I too am not convinced of the Gradualia etc., and it’s important to keep in mind that communion really is optional. Yes, the faithful have a right to present themselves at appropriate times, but not all Masses are appropriate times. I include weddings above all, except for the spouses, and funerals.

    So the Liber’s instructions would have been a novelty post-1958, as the proper was sung at the ablutions from 1908 onward in all cases (and was probably already, but the point is that this is a change from the Vatican Edition).

    There is, with respect to organ, a bit of question begging. Mocquereau wrote to Vincent d’Indy that he preferred the chant without accompaniment as was the abbey’s custom in Lent, but the congregation of Solesmes is known for accompaniment, even of propers; although what they do on recordings is not wholly indicative of daily practice, it does shed some light on what is possible to do with chant and accompaniment (on chant practice in particular, see this paper in French (PDF)). I get it. De gustibus etc. but it is all too often the case that people who oppose accompanying the chant on a more or less regular basis are one step away from removing the organ entirely, they just don’t realize that, and we should guard against this. I’m firmly in the camp of accompaniment at Vespers, always except during the Triduum and perhaps for the Dead, even at Lauds on the most solemn occasions, of the propers even from time to time, and at Benediction, following the pre-1957 rules; the post-1957 ones are bad such that, again, we might as well just ditch the organ if we wish to follow that severe limitation, and it also has the unfortunate problem that “black and folded chasubles, plus vigils of Saints=no solo organ; everything else, organ is allowed” is no longer true…

    My point is that the default assumption has long been far from it in reality, such that I don’t think that organ accompaniment, provided that it is of sufficiently good quality (Mocquereau did not like that of Giulio Bas at all…), is adding spice to a dish. I think that it’s essential but sometimes can be left out to make another dish.
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  • I'm thinking of the small volunteer choir... 6 have "enrolled," but on most Sundays one can only depend on 4 showing up (and Holy Days... three if you're lucky, but more likely only two). Then, the repertoire of various hymns is of great utility. Of course, it would be different if there were 12, or 16, or 20 choristers. But reality says, the valiant ones who still show up want to do SOMETHING, and not all volunteers come with the greatest of
    gifts, bit a willing attitude. The number of tunes / melodies for Pange lingua allows a choir to keep it fresh. The chant Ave Verum sung alternately is always appreciated.
    I really find it odd that only hymns that about "us" have been promoted so strongly for Communion at English masses, to the point where hymns about or addressed to Our Lord are strongly prohibited in some places.
  • In years past I sang under a director who was very big on trying to match the exact right motet for the feast and/or antiphon. I think this is a very 'high' or 'grand' concept and way to fit hymns and motets in. The trouble is it's ambitious, involves a relatively huge repertoire, and many/most choirs aren't really up to it (his choir was not). To me Pange Lingua at communion is like the opposite end of that spectrum, a very humble choice, not one I'd feel great about qua liturgical choice, but appropriate enough and perhaps even a wise choice once skill and resources are factored in.
  • ServiamScores
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    C_S-- this is something I attempt to do, but haven't really achieved. (At least, we have YEARS of growing to do as a choir with my new group, before this will be a reality. My previous choir was close.) I try to make sure that mile-marker liturgies (feasts and solemnities) are covered with a motet that directly relates to the propers, but for the other days, we pad in some generic settings of O Salutaris, Ave Verum, and the like. The thing is, there are TONS of such motets out there, and they aren't all difficult. You don't have to sing Byrd or Palestrina every week. Witt's Ad Te Levavi is a great example. Such motets (and there are many) are within the reach of relatively modest choirs.

    At any rate, Pange Lingua is above reproach, imho. And if there are alternate melodies in sources such as the Cantus Selecti or whatever, then so much the better. Use the alternate melodies and keep the big one for the feast or for special occasions.
  • Just to be clear, I think that way of doing things is impressive and pre-eminently liturgical. The demands it placed on that particular choir were very high though.

    Due to choir experiences like that, avoiding excessive ambition actually became a central principle for my programming. We have very few polyphonic motets that are only sung once a year. O Magnum Mysterium and Locus Iste (Bruckner) spring to mind.

    I admit to having a couple other personal biases in the background here. For one, I'm not into polyphony 'for its own sake' as it were (I am, after all, a chant supremacist), and prefer to do only the exceptionally beautiful and moving stuff, executed to a high standard. The Witt piece is an interesting example. It has several nice moments, but it would take up 30+ minutes of schola practice for something that can only be sung once a year and imho is not exceptional to begin with, certainly not better than the chant antiphon. What I've prepared for Ad Te Levavi is a 2 part doxology that can go with any mode 8 psalmody, and then a very simple organum line for the repeat.

    For two, and maybe this sounds odd, but I don't have the extremely high church sensibility of that aforementioned director. Certain things just strike me as too fancy, or too monastic, or too exclusive vis-a-vis the congregation, and thus not something I'm inclined to program in.

    With all that said I do like the idea of weaving a communion antiphon with verses straight into a polyphonic setting, and may try that out in the future.
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  • ServiamScores
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    Due to choir experiences like that, avoiding excessive ambition actually became a central principle for my programming. We have very few polyphonic motets that are only sung once a year. O Magnum Mysterium and Locus Iste (Bruckner) spring to mind.
    Truthfully, I lean the same. I like good "bang for the buck" motets, or motets that have refrains with chanted verses. Lots of music for relatively minimal rehearsal time. I also love generic enough texts that you can use them any time you really need to. Of course, certain things are hard to avoid (Rorate Cæli immediately comes to mind) but there are plenty of "generic" motets to go around too. And to your point about not over-stressing the choir, I totally agree. It is disheartening to a choir to be stretched too thin or never sing any one piece particularly well. They take pride in singing something that they know well... well.