Immaculate Conception this year
  • Jonathan_CulbreathJonathan_Culbreath
    Posts: 28
    This year, in the liturgical calendar of the post-Vatican II ritual, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception is moved to Monday, December 9, in many dioceses, since the 8th is the Second Sunday of Advent. How does this affect Sunday vespers? Does it become “Evening Prayer I” of Immaculate Conception? What are the rules? Where would I find out this sort of thing? At my parish we do Sunday vespers (alas only during Advent and Lent), so I am trying to put together the worship aids in advance.
  • Liam
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    Advent II takes precedence over the transferred Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception (which is not a day of precept in the USA this year), so evening prayer on Sunday evening would be Evening Prayer II of Advent II.
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  • RoborgelmeisterRoborgelmeister
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    Ordo Calendars for the new Liturgical Year should already be available.
  • a_f_hawkins
    Posts: 3,467
    >should already be available
    but our archdiocese has not succeeded in delivering them to us before Christmas for the last five years! once I did not get a copy until after Epiphany !!
  • Marc Cerisier
    Posts: 536
    The basic ordo is already available on the USCCB website. It won’t have diocesan specific data, but covers most things.
  • MatthewRoth
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    A classical Roman ordo (note that an ordo calendar is not a thing) runs from Jan 1 to ~Epiphany of the following year, avoiding the problem of preparing the next year's ordo not only before Christmas but before Advent; it's true, one of the few people who does do an ordo in this way (Paul Cavendish) does prepare it well in advance, but he has a global audience.

    In a diocese, you could very easily take all eleven months to prepare, proofread, and correct the ordo, then send it out in December (after Thanksgiving in the US, basically) — this also makes a lot of sense, because who's going to have time to work on next year in Advent of the year that you just prepared? So it could be about the same amount of time (ten or eleven months) but you lose a month beginning in Advent.
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  • RoborgelmeisterRoborgelmeister
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    Pardon me, I'm mostly out of it now, but forty years ago we used the Paulist Ordo, and it had all of the obits for deceased bishops and priests. Is this no longer a thing?
  • Liam
    Posts: 5,092
    Catalog for 2025 - includes necrologies:

    https://www.paulistpress.com/Pages/Center/ordo_list_2025.aspx
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  • monasteryliturgistmonasteryliturgist
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    If you send an email to the USCCB in the Office of Divine Worship they are normally pretty quick to answer those kinds of questions. Normally Sunday does take precedence but now I doubt since the ordo this year for Exultation of the Cross had EP II take Precedence of the Feast Rather than EP I of the Sunday... so basically, checking with the higher ups might be best if the ordo wont come in time.
  • tomjaw
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    @monasteryliturgist

    The NO calendar follows the later changes made to the EF calendar, i.e. There has been a growing hatred of the Sanctoral cycle from the madmen in charge. The trend has been to prevent feasts of the Saints taking precedence over the Sunday. The Sunday is effectively a Feast of Our Lord, but so is the Exultation, so the higher will take precedence.
  • Liam
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    The Exaltation of the Holy Cross is a Feast of the Lord that takes precedence over Sundays of Ordinary Time. The Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception is a Solemnity of Our Lady that does not take precedence over Sundays of Advent. That's straight out of the table of precedence, easy peasy. (A functional way of looking at it is that Sundays of Ordinary Time have the lowest rank of Feasts of the Lord.)
  • tomjaw
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    @Liam But traditionally and even in 1962, the Immaculate Conception took precedence over Advent II. The current arrangement is a novelty.
  • Liam
    Posts: 5,092
    It may be so, but the rule is crystal-clear, not obscure.
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