Musicam Sacram - statement from Pope Francis?
  • Bri
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    During the Colloquium, I believe I heard a presenter mention that Pope Francis recently stated that "Musicam Sacram" (1967) is the most authoritative church document on music in the liturgy (or something to this effect).

    Does anyone have any more information about this?

    Thank you!
  • RMSawicki
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    It is, sadly, like so many of the authentic church documents of the Vatican II, and post-Vatican II, period generally ignored or "not even heard of" by most Catholics. It gives clear, definitive guidance on where sacred music was supposed to be going, and should be today. You may be certain that "'spirit' of Vatican II"-types ignore it completely. I, as one of those weird Catholics who has spent years reading what the conciliar and post-conciliar documents ACTUALLY SAY, I have found it most useful in planning and coordinating my efforts wherever I've been called upon to do so. Does that mean I necessarily like everything about it? No, but in reading/following it I'm simply doing what the church asks.

    (Thankfully, His Holiness did NOT make such a solicitous statement about the St. Louis Jesuits, Marty Haugen-David Hass, LifeTeen praise bands, etc.!)

    Gaudete in Domino Semper!
  • Bri
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    Thanks, RMSawicki! I agree that this is a wonderful document!!

    Did Pope Francis indeed make a recent statement about "Musicam Sacram"? If so, might you be able to point me toward an article about this?

    Thanked by 2CHGiffen RMSawicki
  • roy2
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    Pope Francis said in 2017 that the "premise" of Musicam Sacram is "still highly relevant". Maybe that's what the presenter was referring to?

    https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2017/march/documents/papa-francesco_20170304_convegno-musica-sacra.html
  • Bri
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    Thank you, roy2!
  • francis
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    Clarification… the INSTRUCTIONS were what he was pointing to. Yes? And that 2017 document has a lot of problems.

    Several times, following Council recommendations, the Document highlights the importance of the participation of the entire assembly of faithful defined as “active, conscious, full”. And it very clearly highlights that “the true solemnity of liturgical worship depends less on a more ornate form of singing and a more magnificent ceremonial than on its worthy and religious celebration” (n. 11). It is therefore firstly a matter of intense participation in the Mystery of God, in the “theophany” that occurs in each Eucharistic celebration, in which the Lord manifests himself in the midst of his people, called to participate in a true way in the salvation enacted by Christ’s death and Resurrection. Active and conscious participation consists, therefore, in knowing how to enter profoundly into this mystery, in knowing how to contemplate, adore and welcome it, in grasping its sense, thanks in particular to religious silence and to the “musicality of the language with which the Lord speaks to us” (cf. Homily at Santa Marta, 12 December 2013). It is precisely in this perspective that reflection on the renewal of sacred music and its precious contribution moves.
    it seems this goes in the opposite direction of tradition.

    Music can add to the solemnity, but music is not necessary for the profoundness of the liturgical act. Throughout history The Liturgical Act has stood on its own without the involvement of the people. Don’t get me wrong I am a musician and composer of sacred music. It dovetails splendidly with the sacred act. But don’t confuse the baby with the bathwater… or worse, throw out the baby and wallow in the water alone. This always leads to Protestantism.

    Here’s a nifty little article that may shed light… historicism is the culprit.

    https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/7333-the-most-pressing-need-in-the-world-today-restoring-the-belief-in-immutable-catholic-truth

    The following excerpt from the August 1993 SiSiNoNo explains so much about the crisis in the Catholic Church:

    “Confirmation of this treachery comes to us today, from the very lips of those representing this New Theology. A mouthpiece of theirs is the journal Communio and in an article of November-December, 1990, the Jesuit Fr. Peter Henrici (born 1928) tells us that: . . . Behind that facade of official studies, modernist texts and tracts were secretly circulated to the most brilliant and promising seminarians. Those same modernist concepts, secretly passed around, would later reappear as the New Theology. Those who showed interest and promise in theology, would be given the modernist Fr. Henri de Lubac's book: The Supernatural - the most forbidden of forbidden books! Then they would receive another of his books, Corpus Mysticum. This was done to inculcate them with the principle that identical theological terms could have different meanings with the passage of time or when looked at in another context. Thus we say goodbye to unchanging divine and apostolic Tradition! Goodbye to the homogenous development of dogma! Goodbye to unchangeable truths!”
  • CharlesW
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    Ya think, Francis? This is as good as any government bureaucrat could come up with.
  • francis
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    highlights the importance of the participation of the entire assembly of faithful defined as “active, conscious, full”.
    code of mammon law… It’s always a dead giveaway… (and we’ll die following it.)

    Today I did not open my mouth during the entire Mass… nonetheless, I was “fully conscious… and actively participating…” (I also added my rosary to those prayers of the priest.)
  • francis
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    Charles… however, don’t be sifted from the true Catholic faith by the bureaucrats… Jesus clearly warned us about that… as the Beatles once proclaimed

    “get back get back get back to where you once belonged”

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IKJqecxswCA&list=RDIKJqecxswCA&start_radio=1
  • davido
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    You have to have silence to participate in the liturgy you are describing, Francis. I visited a very traditional Novus Ordo in an American basilica this AM, latin propers, incense, etc. It was beautiful, but what stood out was the spoken canon blasted at you over the PA system.
  • francis
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    a very traditional Novus Ordo
    An oxymoron at best.. otherwise known as a unicorn mass… yes, I lead the music for them weekly… until they finally will go off the rails… and then it’s rosary in Left and crucifix in right…

    The rock song of the NO
    https://youtu.be/gSWInYFVksg?si=waGi_TC8MHEYs2SQ

    The history of the NO

    The first studio version was recorded by the Wild Ones, a band based in New York and set up by socialite Sybil Christopher. They had contacted composer Chip Taylor to ask him to write a song for them to release as a single. Taylor composed it very quickly: within a couple of minutes, he had the chorus and a "sexual-kind-of-feeling song" emerged.[6]
    On his demo version, Taylor banged on a tambourine while producer Ron Johnsen "was doing this little thing with his hands", as Taylor related it. The result sounded "cool". Producer Gerry Granahan approved the song and then produced the Wild Ones' recording, with vocals by Chuck Alden.
    On its release in November 1965, the record failed to sell, and Alden later said that he regretted not performing the song in the same way as Taylor's demo. The solo in the middle of the song was performed by the recording engineer using his hands as a whistle. This sound was subsequently imitated by the Troggs in their version using an ocarina.[7]
  • When the big publishers quote "Sing to the Lord" more than "Musicam Sacram," or "Sacrosanctum Concilium" that's when we know they are more interested in profits than discipleship and evangelization.
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  • And that 2017 document has a lot of problems.


    You probably meant that the 1967 document (i.e. Musicam sarcram) has a lot of problems, since it is that document to what Pope Francis refers. But Musicam sacram, in turn, refers to the Council. So ...
  • francis
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    I refer to the reference of the reference... they ALL have problems... in my mind, the most pure since the train wreck is Tra Le Sollecitudini... if anything particular contradicts what it states, then the latter has to be questionable.

    https://adoremus.org/1903/11/tra-le-sollecitudini/
  • Liam
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    What was the train wreck *before* Tra Le Sollecitudini?
  • francis
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    For me the1903 is very pure to tradition. I meant to say pure “before” the train wreck. Mea culpa.
  • francis
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    The screeching wheels of the train wreck comes from here: (some of the quotes that still make me shudder…)

    “2. A new rite of the Mass: a change in a venerable tradition that has gone on for centuries.”

    “The first is obedience to the Council.”

    “It is the kind of upset caused by every novelty that breaks in on our habits.”

    “It is Christ's will, it is the breath of the Holy Spirit which calls the Church to make this change. A prophetic moment is occurring in the mystical body of Christ, which is the Church. This moment is shaking the Church, arousing it, obliging it to renew the mysterious art of its prayer.”

    “We are parting with the speech of the Christian centuries; we are becoming like profane intruders in the literary preserve of sacred utterance. We will lose a great part of that stupendous and incomparable artistic and spiritual thing, the Gregorian chant.”

    “9. We have reason indeed for regret, reason almost for bewilderment. What can we put in the place of that language of the angels? We are giving up something of priceless worth. But why? What is more precious than these loftiest of our Church's values?”

    CHANGES IN MASS FOR GREATER APOSTOLATE

    Pope Paul VI

    Address to a General Audience, November 26, 1969

    Our Dear Sons and Daughters:

    1. We ask you to turn your minds once more to the liturgical innovation of the new rite of the Mass. This new rite will be introduced into our celebration of the holy Sacrifice starting from Sunday next which is the first of Advent, November 30 [in Italy].

    2. A new rite of the Mass: a change in a venerable tradition that has gone on for centuries. This is something that affects our hereditary religious patrimony, which seemed to enjoy the privilege of being untouchable and settled. It seemed to bring the prayer of our forefathers and our saints to our lips and to give us the comfort of feeling faithful to our spiritual past, which we kept alive to pass it on to the generations ahead.

    3. It is at such a moment as this that we get a better understanding of the value of historical tradition and the communion of the saints. This change will affect the ceremonies of the Mass. We shall become aware, perhaps with some feeling of annoyance, that the ceremonies at the altar are no longer being carried out with the same words and gestures to which we were accustomed—perhaps so much accustomed that we no longer took any notice of them. This change also touches the faithful. It is intended to interest each one of those present, to draw them out of their customary personal devotions or their usual torpor.

    4. We must prepare for this many-sided inconvenience. It is the kind of upset caused by every novelty that breaks in on our habits. We shall notice that pious persons are disturbed most, because they have their own respectable way of hearing Mass, and they will feel shaken out of their usual thoughts and obliged to follow those of others. Even priests may feel some annoyance in this respect.

    5. So what is to be done on this special and historical occasion? First of all, we must prepare ourselves. This novelty is no small thing. We should not let ourselves be surprised by the nature, or even the nuisance, of its exterior forms. As intelligent persons and conscientious faithful we should find out as much as we can about this innovation. It will not be hard to do so, because of the many fine efforts being made by the Church and by publishers. As We said on another occasion, we shall do well to take into account the motives for this grave change. The first is obedience to the Council. That obedience now implies obedience to the Bishops, who interpret the Council's prescription and put them into practice.

    6. This first reason is not simply canonical—relating to an external precept. It is connected with the charism of the liturgical act. In other words, it is linked with the power and efficacy of the Church's prayer, the most authoritative utterance of which comes from the Bishop. This is also true of priests, who help the Bishop in his ministry, and like him act in persona Christi (cf. St. Ign., ad Eph. I, V). It is Christ's will, it is the breath of the Holy Spirit which calls the Church to make this change. A prophetic moment is occurring in the mystical body of Christ, which is the Church. This moment is shaking the Church, arousing it, obliging it to renew the mysterious art of its prayer.

    7. The other reason for the reform is this renewal of prayer. It is aimed at associating the assembly of the faithful more closely and more effectively with the official rite, that of the Word and that of the Eucharistic Sacrifice, that constitutes the Mass. For the faithful are also invested with the "royal priesthood"; that is, they are qualified to have supernatural conversation with God.

    8. It is here that the greatest newness is going to be noticed, the newness of language. No longer Latin, but the spoken language will be the principal language of the Mass. The introduction of the vernacular will certainly be a great sacrifice for those who know the beauty, the power and the expressive sacrality of Latin. We are parting with the speech of the Christian centuries; we are becoming like profane intruders in the literary preserve of sacred utterance. We will lose a great part of that stupendous and incomparable artistic and spiritual thing, the Gregorian chant.

    9. We have reason indeed for regret, reason almost for bewilderment. What can we put in the place of that language of the angels? We are giving up something of priceless worth. But why? What is more precious than these loftiest of our Church's values?

    10. The answer will seem banal, prosaic. Yet it is a good answer, because it is human, because it is apostolic.

    11. Understanding of prayer is worth more than the silken garments in which it is royally dressed. Participation by the people is worth more—particularly participation by modern people, so fond of plain language which is easily understood and converted into everyday speech.

    12. If the divine Latin language kept us apart from the children, from youth, from the world of labor and of affairs, if it were a dark screen, not a clear window, would it be right for us fishers of souls to maintain it as the exclusive language of prayer and religious intercourse? What did St. Paul have to say about that? Read chapter 14 of the first letter to the Corinthians: "In Church I would rather speak five words with my mind, in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue" (I Corinthians 14:19).


    (Continued)
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  • francis
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    13. St. Augustine seems to be commenting on this when he says, "Have no fear of teachers, so long as all are instructed" (P.L. 38, 228, Serm. 37; cf. also Serm. 229, p. 1371). But, in any case, the new rite of the Mass provides that the faithful "should be able to sing together, in Latin, at least the parts of the Ordinary of the Mass, especially the Creed and the Lord's Prayer, the Our Father" (Sacrosanctum Concilium n. 19).

    14. But, let us bear this well in mind, for our counsel and our comfort: the Latin language will not thereby disappear. It will continue to be the noble language of the Holy See's official acts; it will remain as the means of teaching in ecclesiastical studies and as the key to the patrimony of our religious, historical and human culture. If possible, it will reflourish in splendor.

    15. Finally, if we look at the matter properly we shall see that the fundamental outline of the Mass is still the traditional one, not only theologically but also spiritually. Indeed, if the rite is carried out as it ought to be, the spiritual aspect will be found to have greater richness. The greater simplicity of the ceremonies, the variety and abundance of scriptural texts, the joint acts of the ministers, the silences which will mark various deeper moments in the rite, will all help to bring this out.

    16. But two indispensable requirements above all will make that richness clear: a profound participation by every single one present, and an outpouring of spirit in community charity. These requirements will help to make the Mass more than ever a school of spiritual depth and a peaceful but demanding school of Christian sociology. The soul's relationship with Christ and with the brethren thus attains new and vital intensity. Christ, the victim and the priest, renews and offers up his redeeming sacrifice through the ministry of the Church in the symbolic rite of his last supper. He leaves us his body and blood under the appearances of bread and wine, for our personal and spiritual nourishment, for our fusion in the unity of his redeeming love and his immortal life.

    17. But there is still a practical difficulty, which the excellence of the sacred renders not a little important. How can we celebrate this new rite when we have not yet got a complete missal, and there are still so many uncertainties about what to do?

    18. To conclude, it will be helpful to read to you some directions from the competent office, namely the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship. Here they are: "As regards the obligation of the rite:

    1) For the Latin text: Priests who celebrate in Latin, in private or also in public, in cases provided for by the legislation, may use either the Roman Missal or the new rite until November 28, 1971. If they use the Roman Missal, they may nevertheless make use of the three new anaphoras and the Roman Canon, having regard to the provisions respecting the last text (omission of some saints, conclusions, etc.). They may moreover recite the readings and the prayer of the faithful in the vernacular. If they use the new rite, they must follow the official text, with the concessions as regards the vernacular indicated above.

    2) For the vernacular text. In Italy, all those who celebrate in the presence of the people from November 30 next, must use the Rito della Messa published by the Italian Episcopal Conference or by another National Conference. On feast days readings shall be taken: either from the Lectionary published by the Italian Center for Liturgical Action, or from the Roman Missal for feast days, as in use heretofore. On ferial days the ferial Lectionary published three years ago shall continue to be used. No problem arises for those who celebrate in private, because they must celebrate in Latin. If a priest celebrates in the vernacular by special indult, as regards the texts, he shall follow what was said above for the Mass with the people; but for the rite he shall follow the Ordo published by the Italian Episcopal Conference.

    19. In every case, and at all times, let us remember that "the Mass is a Mystery to be lived in a death of Love. Its divine reality surpasses all words. . . It is the Action par excellence, the very act of our Redemption, in the Memorial which makes it present" (Zundel).

    With Our Apostolic Benediction.
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